Witness the political landscape quake beneath our feet and the financial tightrope teeter as we unravel the complexities of one of America's most polarizing figures. As the gavel comes down on the era of Mitch McConnell, we reflect on his Supreme Court legacy and the crescendo of Trumpism in a candid discussion that will leave you enlightened on the ramifications of his departure. Then, brace yourself for a deep dive into the Trump Organization's legal and financial turmoil, with a staggering $454 million civil fraud case at the forefront. We shine a spotlight on the desperate scramble for bond money, shedding light on the intricate web of financial distress and stringent regulations tightening around Trump's businesses.
Prepare for a masterclass in judicial chess as we dissect the Supreme Court's kangaroo like gambit, entertaining Trump's claim of presidential immunity, which could throw the timeline of his January 6th trial into disarray. Our analysis doesn’t shy away from the potential impact on the November elections, with strategic delays and legal maneuvering at play. As the legal saga unfolds, we examine the role of Judge Cannon and the challenges in the Georgia-Rico case, providing a lens into the strategic dance of legal and political strategy. This episode is more than just a summary of events; it's an essential guide through the justice high-wire act in these unprecedented times.
Witness the political landscape quake beneath our feet and the financial tightrope teeter as we unravel the complexities of one of America's most polarizing figures. As the gavel comes down on the era of Mitch McConnell, we reflect on his Supreme Court legacy and the crescendo of Trumpism in a candid discussion that will leave you enlightened on the ramifications of his departure. Then, brace yourself for a deep dive into the Trump Organization's legal and financial turmoil, with a staggering $454 million civil fraud case at the forefront. We shine a spotlight on the desperate scramble for bond money, shedding light on the intricate web of financial distress and stringent regulations tightening around Trump's businesses.
Prepare for a masterclass in judicial chess as we dissect the Supreme Court's kangaroo like gambit, entertaining Trump's claim of presidential immunity, which could throw the timeline of his January 6th trial into disarray. Our analysis doesn’t shy away from the potential impact on the November elections, with strategic delays and legal maneuvering at play. As the legal saga unfolds, we examine the role of Judge Cannon and the challenges in the Georgia-Rico case, providing a lens into the strategic dance of legal and political strategy. This episode is more than just a summary of events; it's an essential guide through the justice high-wire act in these unprecedented times.
One, two, three, four. Hey, this is D-Night, this is Tully. Yeah, I forgot, there's no Carol, it's Tully. Hey, you're listening to the party interaction podcast. Okay, so yeah, what happened? There is it's just me and Ty today, and you know, carol is usually in the middle as she prefers it. You can read into that how it was going.
Speaker 1:
But we was just talking about, like the order in which we introduce ourselves for the podcast. So that was. That was. That's the explanation for the confusion there. Obviously, today's been fucking insane Keeping up with the news. We don't even have the time to cover the entirety of it because it's been so completely out of control. But before we get to that, let's give a shout out to our sponsors sheets and giggles. My man, collin McIntosh, is the CEO with the most incredible sheets on planet Earth, also, you know, with the focus on sustainability and protecting our environment. So if you want to sleep great, sleep comfortable and feel like you're doing your part to make sure our planet doesn't implode in a ball of flames and destruction, pick up a set of sheets from sheets and giggles and, of course, after you listen to this podcast, you might actually be like you know what I'm rooting for the planet to explode.
Speaker 2:
So it was a crazy day.
Speaker 1:
I think. How did it start off time, was it? We got the announcement that Mitch McConnell's retiring. That was that was. That was step one in the insanity. If you listen to this podcast, obviously we're no Mitch McConnell's fans and, as we're about to get to, he's largely responsible for the state of affairs and politics, or at least the fact that it's a total dumpster fire in a number of ways, including with the Supreme Court as well as, like the proliferation of Trumpism throughout the Republican Party, not being any kind of bulwark to protect this party from this nonsense. Massive failure on his part, anyway, and I think it was item number two success If you're Mitch McConnell.
Speaker 1:
So right, right. Well, item number two on today's agenda I was it. So Trump attempted to post a bond In New York In his five is $454 million Civil fraud trial, but he only proposed the idea Of posting a hundred million dollar bonds, so he's like $350 dollars short.
Speaker 2:
Right, so that's it.
Speaker 1:
That's it Okay. So in order to appeal the ruling, the verdict and the civil fraud trial, trump was either going to have to come up with the entirety of the judgment plus some interest, or he was going to have to secure a bond from some, from a bonding company, for the amount of the judgment plus interest. And Trump's idea was like, hey, I can't come up with all of it. So he said, okay, I'm going to take $100 million. And the court was like no, and I think like the most important takeaway from that, obviously, is the fact that he's like I got the money, and how do I, do I not have the money? I will have to, like, sell some shit to come over the rest of it. When you take these pennies, clearly, like you said, ty, he ain't selling enough of them. Them Chuck traders.
Speaker 2:
Chuck traders. But you know, I thought that my mother was worth it. Well, I would think that he could get like a second or 14th mortgage on it or something he could better. You know, it is with a billion dollars. So I guess Putin is not coming, because there was like a lot of talk that, ok, russia is going to, or Saudi Arabia, or where have you was going to come to his rescue.
Speaker 1:
But yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, and I think he's realizing that the currency of his complexion is only going to get him so far. And which?
Speaker 1:
is not. What do you mean that he's orange? Um so yes.
Speaker 2:
I don't have.
Speaker 1:
We don't really have time to talk about all of this, but like the thing about like hoping that some of the I guess is his foreign sugar daddies, like the Saudis and whatnot, the idea that they were going to come to his rescue, I mean, yeah, maybe the thing is there was a time limit on on their ability to do this Right.
Speaker 1:
So, after the civil judgments in the E Jean Carroll trial and here in the fraud trial, like I think it's 30 days after the judgment before they can start collecting and that's just not a lot of time. Like some serious moves would have to have been made ahead of time to pull that off. And you know, obviously Trump's not ideal when it comes to the, the possibility that, hey, I don't know, motherfucker, you might need to plan a half or some of this. So, yeah, the idea that they were going to come to the rescue, it was a flawed idea. There was not enough time on the clock for them to do that. And part of Trump's problem, too, with the civil, these civil judgments, is that in going rule that like well, a couple of things that make this difficult, the major hurdle being that Trump can't really engage in business with any financial institutions that are licensed in in New York, which is like all of them, which is all of them, or at least all of the American ones.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:
So I mean he might have to find some kind of credit union somewhere or something. And then two is that like, well, not only did Judge and go and leave the financial monitor in place, he also installed like a compliance director. So you've got like two layers of, I guess, stewardship over the Trump organization to make sure they can engage in those shenanigans. And, like I'm sure Trump will probably try to find a way to do some crime and commit some more fraud in order to come up with the money. But he can't because someone sitting there looking right over his shoulder making sure he don't do no more criminal shit.
Speaker 2:
So so they already tried that when they tried to move to Florida.
Speaker 1:
Oh man.
Speaker 2:
Six of them.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, well, okay, so we haven't talked about that on the podcast yet, but, like, well, the first thing Trump did, the reason why there's even a financial monitor overseeing the Trump Oregon, the first place is because he tried to pull that shit when the Tish James hit him with the civil fraud suit, where he, like, tried to create a Trump organization too, and he just moved all his assets from Trump or to Trump, or to be like haha, bitch about, I got you.
Speaker 1:
And that didn't work. So, and the judge was like bro, you calm the fuck down, all right, we're going to put somebody, going to install somebody in the organization to make sure you don't try and pull anything crazy. And then, like you said, so I think, after the ruling that came down, trump tried to do this thing where he moved the addresses of his New York assets To Florida addresses, I guess, to try and escape the New York jurisdiction. And they were like bro, like what is what do you do? Hell, no, that was insane. But, yes, what?
Speaker 2:
are you doing, man? You know what? Now that I think about it, though, I think that he did have a contingency plan. How?
Speaker 1:
ever slide.
Speaker 2:
When he proposed that Lara Trump had the RNC and take over Rana, romney and McDaniels plays, I think he was thinking that that would be something that and then he could just basically pilfer their coffers to pay for this. I honestly, like, when I think about it more and like you know what, I think that was what he was thinking. So, if you think about it like when it happened, and then the timing of him announcing her of all the people for that, and then her saying we're going to put all of our money into, you know, defending Trump, and they're like what you are like.
Speaker 1:
Well, here's the problem. Like, yeah, go ahead, you can put Laura Trump in charge of the financial aspect of the RNC. The RNC is broke. They've got like 16, $17 million or something. It's some crazy low number. Like it's February, it's really it's practically March at this point. The election is in November. It's eight months away and they got less than $20 million. What kind of election? Well, yeah, first of all, what?
Speaker 2:
kind of election are you planning to?
Speaker 1:
run with $20 million when you have to fund all your candidates and then two.
Speaker 2:
They spent like $300 million fucking back in her swath Like so.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, anyway, yeah, anyway, like whatever is left, if you're trying to send that to Trump and the Trump campaign so he can run the presidential election like it's a, it's a cockamamie plan, right, it's one of those. You remember those acne cartoons back in the day and you will watch like Wally Coyote and Row Runner, and Wally Coyote will order all that stuff from Agni and it'd be like this convoluted shit and you would build it and then it would just kill Wally Coyote instead of catching the Row Runner. This is like the Trump level version.
Speaker 2:
It's pretty well.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, anyway. So, and then that was like I guess that was the second event or the third major development of the day. No, I can't even keep track, ty. What the fuck this day was so bananas.
Speaker 1:
All right, so we're going to get to the meat of the meat of it here, in case you somehow missed it, which I am assuming that everyone who's listening to this probably follows me on Twitter, and if you don't, you can follow both of us on Twitter. Links are in the show notes. Also, you know, subscribe to the substacks, the various substacks of our co-hosts, tara and Ty also purchase their books. And while I'm at it, I guess, if you'd like to support the podcast financially, there's a link in the show notes for you to do that as well, although what I would prefer you do more than anything is just share this podcast with somebody else. But that's, that's enough for the. Also like, like and make sure you hit the subscribe button and hit the like button, do that cheesy shit.
Speaker 1:
And if you feel like giving us five stars and you want to rate us, go ahead and give us five stars. If you give us four stars, you're probably an insurrectionist, um, anyway. So the meat of today's developments. If you somehow missed, it is the Supreme Court Finally, after weeks of waiting, decided to Basically grant certiorari. I don't even remember. I don't know if I even said that right, lawyers just give me a.
Speaker 1:
I think, I think that's Sertiorari, something I don't know.
Speaker 1:
Anyway, grant cert to hear Trump's appeal of the DC Circuit courts ruling on his claim of presidential immunity.
Speaker 1:
I just haven't spent a lot of time talking about this on the podcast and I will tell you why real quick is because I assume that once the DC Court of Appeals made their ruling and if you happen to read it it's pretty fucking airtight, I mean they, they destroy the idea. So the fact that it took so long for the Supreme Court to come to the conclusion that they were going to grant Trump's appeal was surprising, because I assume that what they were the delay was that everyone was pretty much an agreement or at least five or six or seven of the judges were in agreement that they weren't going to grant cert and they were just going to issue a ruling upholding the DC Court of Appeals opinion. Right, and maybe you'd have a couple of dissenting justices like Thomas and Alito, who want to take their, take their potshots, and because you know like, even though Thomas don't say nothing typically in oral arguments, he can't shut the fuck up when it comes to those yeah right, right.
Speaker 1:
So he was like all right, well, so they're probably just right. Now they're dissent and everybody's probably everybody else is probably on the same page. Well, as it turns out, what they were doing was engaging in a massive delay of Trump's January 6th trial in DC and the long story short of it, the fact that they've taken up his appeal and they won't be hearing or oral arguments until was it April, april 22nd? I can run off the top.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it's like a month or two.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't have any notes in front of me exactly. I'm doing this over the top of my head, so bear with me. Um, so, april 22nd, oral arguments, right, and then they likely won't issue an opinion. They'll make their decision and they likely won't issue an opinion until at the end of June, most likely right, which means we probably won't have any idea of whether or not the trial is moving forward in DC Until late June, early July, and that's and that's if things go fairly well, right. So there could always be some kind of hang up. Um, if I love, justices on the Supreme Court can find a way to delay the decision even further if they so choose. There's a number of ways they can go about that. We don't have time to just again say that for another podcast, and I say that all the time. We'll say that for another episode of the podcast, and it's an insane news break. So we're like all right, well, that shit's gone, we'll never talk about it again. It was like I think that I mean, that was the whole point.
Speaker 2:
I didn't think, like after the appeals for people in the decision, they knew what they were thought Like there was really no argument they had against it, so it was just do what they could to delay, like that was that was their workaround, like that was their intent. Yeah, it was just to delay. We'll get that to that in just a second.
Speaker 1:
So say we get the ruling in July. Um, just, chucking has already said that, uh, the time that they she was going to a lot for Trump to in his defense counsel to continue to prepare for the trial, uh, she basically hit the pause button on that. And the second the state is lifted when the Supreme court hands down their decision, that clock will start ticking again, which is currently sitting at around 88 days. Now give or take a week or two. Maybe things could be sped up.
Speaker 1:
So if you Even best case scenario you say we get the decision in July, early July, first day of July, you attack on two weeks or two months to that, that's early August, one month, and then early September, the second month, and then you've got to do a couple of things here, like jury selection, which could take weeks, and that's you know. You haven't even started the trial. It's already in the September. The elections in November, early voting has already started, there are already going to be votes cast. So, like in that's best case scenario, like things could there's a number of ways things could potentially spiral out of fucking control and delay this thing and delay the beginning of the trial. So, after the election, even if the trial starts before the election. It Chudkin's already basically said it's going to take three months, so there's almost no way.
Speaker 2:
I mean, this is a federal trial. It's a federal trial, so it's going to take time.
Speaker 1:
I mean you say well, they. I mean, for this case, three months is not really that long. So obviously, if we can relate this information to you on this podcast, you can't tell me that the justices on the Supreme Court don't understand what the fuck is going on. First of all, so they're like, they're clearly aware of the calendar, they're aware of the stakes, so that they made this decision and it was a choice, right. So there are a number of instances where the Supreme Court has decided to take up a case and grant cert in a matter of days. In this case, they took what? Almost two weeks now, yeah, right, so that that's an extra two weeks added to the clock. They said oral arguments for what? A month and a half from now, you know, the near end of April, middle of April. They could have said oral arguments for later this month.
Speaker 2:
They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing and it is. It is a. It is a running out of the clock. They're just trying to. They're buying time for Trump and themselves because, like I said, they knew that they had no real legitimate, logical or rational arguments against the appeals for like they were. So fucking boom, boom, boom. Like they took out. And when I was doing my prelaw, shit. One thing I learned was like how to point out the fallacy in a person's argument. So you attack with you know that they're going to try to respond with before they do so when you're done with your arguments, when they get up, they have nowhere to go. And that was what that ruling did and the Supreme Court Scrotus, that's what I'm going to call them.
Speaker 1:
They knew that they know they can look. They can look at the decision from the DC appeals court and know that they didn't leave them any wiggle room.
Speaker 2:
None, zero, zero. Like just going through it, I'm like just trying to. You know, I look for holes and like, okay, maybe it's like no, they, they. Like you said, it's air fucking tight and right now, like you said, fucking Thomas, this motherfucker is so tight lit, he just sits there. I mean, he's just basically been taking up space, a seat warmer, on the bench for all of these decades and this motherfucker can shut the fuck up right now. No, he can shut the fuck up right now. You know. You know, this shit is just so fucking wild to me.
Speaker 1:
He got nine butters right now. So clearly they know what they're doing. They've decided upfront here that they're going to do their best to make sure Trump doesn't go on trial. At least we're eating of these serious criminal charges until after the election. We don't have to get into Florida Like I. We basically stopped talking about the development, the day to day developments, in that case, because it was obvious from the get go the judge can. It was going to delay that thing until after the election, and I think that's fairly clear here. I mean, trump's lawyers even filed an immunity claim and that thing. So I imagine now that the Supreme Court's taking up this DC immunity argument, trump's going to be like hey look, judge cannon, the Supreme Court's probably going to rule in my favor. We should just delay this Florida trial. She's going to be like all right, cool, yeah, exactly. So that's why.
Speaker 2:
I'm not buying her. Her little like couple of rulings lately like, oh, she ruled against Trump, not really. But it's like when it's like OK, if you have 300 Democrats and 135 Republicans and a bill comes through and you vote no, but you know it's going to pass, you're doing it, but you're not really doing it because you know that your vote doesn't matter. But then you can go back and say I voted against this, so it's that type of that type of move, yeah Well.
Speaker 1:
I mean long story short. What she's doing is she's trying to not to make any appealable rulings that could get her removed from the trial.
Speaker 2:
Exactly.
Speaker 1:
So and then your last hope really is the Georgia-Ricot trial, which I can just tell you from the state of affairs in Georgia that things are going to take place before Election Day, just on. The simple fact is way too many fucking defendants, like, unless they narrow that thing, like, unless they, a lot of people, plead guilty between now and the beginning of summer, narrow it down to four, five, six defendants, that thing's not taking place anytime soon, and that's if finding Willis doesn't get removed from the case which you know I again. This is another development, like we haven't had time to talk about any of this shit. So you know they interviewed another witness in Michael Roman's motion to have Willis's office disqualified. I listened to a large chunk of it. I really didn't hear anything potentially damning, or at least to the degree that it would support the idea that Willis's office should be disqualified. I mean, it's just long story short. This was a shit show and they threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall and none of it really stuck.
Speaker 1:
And it's probably just going to be up to the judge's discretion to decide whether or not he believes finding Willis in Wade's testimony. And I don't think, because the burden is on Romans counsel to prove that there was some disqualifying benefit that she received. I don't think they met their burden. Probably good to go in that department, just it's just. The thing is the nature of a Rico prosecution, especially when it's complicated down in Georgia. It just takes a lot of time pretrial to get this thing rolling, and so what you're left with is this New York trial. The Stormy Daniels Hush Money 2016 election interference case is going to take place in a month.