The Supreme Court Ain't Got No Army

We kick things off with a chuckle over our zoom mishaps before diving headfirst into the shockwaves sent through Super Tuesday. Carol, Ty, and yours truly, the birthday gal, celebrate both my milestone and Biden's surprising dominance, scrutinizing what this electoral twist spells out for the future of the House and Senate. Amidst the political chatter, we also unravel Trump's surprising loss in Vermont, delving into the complex voter behaviors that could hint at the evolving political terrain ahead.

Emotions flare as we dissect Nikki Haley's rumored campaign strategy; the GOP may never be the same. Christopher Boozy of Spoutable joins the conversation, lending his expertise to our analysis on the ramifications of a Trump-less ballot. We don't just stop at cold hard facts though; the episode is sprinkled with personal anecdotes and lively banter, musing over the potential shifts in voter turnout and the very fabric of party unity that could tilt the congressional scales.

The episode wraps with a potent mix of frustration and pensiveness as we pore over the Supreme Court's recent verdict and its ominous echoes of history's darker chapters. Reflecting on the court's decision and its impact on future elections, we underscore the need to stay alert to the subtleties of election integrity and the vital role of the judiciary in upholding the pillars of our democracy. Tune in for a hearty discussion that's as much about personal journeys as it is about the political currents shaping our nation's future.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Oh, so Carol, what happened last week with me and Ty is we got on the zoom. Where'd you go, Carol?

Speaker 2: 0:12

Carol sorry.

Speaker 1: 0:14

Oh that's OK.

Speaker 3: 0:16

So press the wrong button and apparently the other close out of the chat.

Speaker 1: 0:21

That's OK. I was going to get to my zoom or you know my boomer story about using zoom last week. So so me and Ty were recording and you know we were on my account and I've got like the free version. So it's got like it times out after I thought it was 45 minutes, apparently it's like 30. So, yeah, we were like getting to the end of the first session I was like all right and I like ended on a point. And then I was like all right, before I go on from there, like hey, ty, you know I'm going to close this and then start a new chat and then start over and then we'll do the second half of the podcast, cool. And then we close out and I send her the link, and then we get started and like we're doing the second half of the podcast and I forgot to hit record.

Speaker 2: 1:06

And you're like, I didn't record this.

Speaker 1: 1:08

There's a whole, you know 25, 30 minute half of podcast that doesn't exist Because and it was, and it was good, it was fire too, yeah, I thought it was, it was yeah. It was fire and just like into the ether. Yeah, mistakes were made. Yeah, hey, this is D night.

Speaker 3: 1:58

This is Carol, this is Ty.

Speaker 1: 2:01

And you're listening to the part of the interaction podcast how we nailed at that time Because if you were with us last week, what had happened was is Carol was not with us and it was just me and Ty and I forgot the Carol wasn't with us and I think I took you a second to, because normally Carol introduces herself. It was she likes to be in the middle.

Speaker 2: 2:24

Yeah, In the middle.

Speaker 1: 2:27

So I was like, so I was just like this is D night and we me and Todd just sat there and looked at each other. You're like, oh yeah, that's right, Carol's not here.

Speaker 3: 2:39

Something else usually happened about now.

Speaker 1: 2:41

Yeah, but the gang is back folks. So obviously, since the last time we've gotten together, there's there's just really hasn't been much to talk about.

Speaker 2: 2:55

Yes, I know that's been like Weirdly, like chill.

Speaker 1: 3:01

Surprising how little there has been, how little eventful news there's been. No, it's been fucking buck, wild bonkers nonstop, seemingly every single day, like there's so many things to talk about that we just won't even have time to get to, not only on this episode of the podcast, but ever, because inevitably, like, whatever I'm like, oh yeah, we'll talk about that on the next episode. What I mean is we'll never talk about it because something else crazy is going to happen. But we'll try and brush over a couple of things. But before we get started, of course we will have to give the obligatory shout out to sheets and giggles, our sponsor, who is providing us with the means of what's, what's it called when you?

Speaker 3: 3:47

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Speaker 1: 4:40

So obviously I think the news of the day is it's it's Super Tuesday. Of course, as we're recording this, you probably likely be hearing this on a Wednesday, the day after the results are in. Long story short. There's very little surprising out there in terms of like what the results are in the Republican primaries in like the big picture. You know, biden won every state. Trump won most states. He lost Vermont Long story short. Dean Phillips or whoever he is, he's probably through Biden cleaned his clock Nikki Haley as far as delegates go, trump came away with a massive victory and but you know, if you look at things in a more granular, granular level, trump was polling At polling nationally.

Speaker 1: 5:40

It's something like, you know, 60 plus points over over Haley. If you look at the turnout and the vote share in the GOP primary, trump is winning most of the states by 25 30 points. Again lost for my. Biden, on the other hand, is performing exceptionally well. He's winning a lot of these states at close to 90 percent, if not over, and I just think like the real main takeaway here from Biden's turnout performance, or rather his primary performance, is the dude is in a strong position. I mean, obviously anything could go wrong in November. But if things continue on the pace, along the path that they are like, not only, not only will Biden likely win in November, it's entirely possible we could win the house back, probably going to lose the Senate. Unless you know, there's some unforeseen circumstances which, again you know, given the state of legal affairs on the Trump side of the ballot, anything could happen.

Speaker 3: 6:59

Plus, you never know what's going to go on in Kentucky, not Kentucky.

Speaker 2: 7:03

Yes, georgia.

Speaker 3: 7:07

No wait, Where's McConnell from?

Speaker 1: 7:10

Oh, kentucky, yes.

Speaker 1: 7:12

Kentucky, yeah, oh yeah, they have some wonderfully fried chicken. Oh, that's not like literally from Kentucky, is it no? So Biden, you know, is winning Iowa by 90 over 90. North Carolina by 90 plus, main by 90 plus. Like, people have the opportunity. If in the Democratic Party, if they wanted to cast a protest vote Dean Phillips is on these ballots guys they could do it.

Speaker 1: 7:44

Like I know, there might have been some concern with the level of undecided voters in Michigan. That appears to not be a nationwide issue here, because Biden is just crushing it, crushing in the primary. Trump, on the other hand, he's got some issues and I think, if I like, wanted to highlight just a small handful of things. So from, I think was it North Carolina exit polls, I believe, in the GOP primary. One pretty alarming number. If you're a Republican has to be and this is from Haley voters specifically in North Carolina Will you vote Republican regardless of the nominee? That's like you voted for Haley in the primary, you leave in the polls, you take an exit poll. Would you vote Republican no matter whether the nominee is Haley or Trump? Yes, it's 18 percent. No is 81 percent. That is a fairly alarming number.

Speaker 3: 8:53

OK, so that's of 247,000 voters, 200. I'm looking at the results now and you said 20 percent.

Speaker 1: 9:04

Yeah, 18 percent will vote Republican, regardless of who. The nominee is 81 percent. No, they're not going to guarantee that.

Speaker 3: 9:13

Ok, so that. So that's a hundred and ninety three 1,362 votes. Who would, who might, who wouldn't vote for Trump in that situation out of the two hundred and forty seven thousand nine hundred people who voted for Nikki Haley in North Carolina today?

Speaker 1: 9:31

Yeah, now that's not saying they're absolutely not going to vote for Trump, but that they won't guarantee that they will.

Speaker 3: 9:36

So yeah, that's almost 200,000 votes.

Speaker 1: 9:39

Yeah. So you know, let's say, you know, let's say half of those people who are uncommitted to voting Republican In November decide that they're not going to vote for Trump or, even better than, they're going to vote for Biden. Like Trump loses North Carolina, it's a wrap, folks, trump, if Trump loses North Carolina, there are a couple of states that if Trump loses that, you can guarantee it went poorly for him in other swing states, and North Carolina is not only one of those states that could decide the the 2024 election, but it's also one of those states is probably very representative of like what GOP turnout will be in November. So if he's losing there, if he happens to like Again, like you know, maybe 10, 20 percent of the Republican base who voted for Nikki Haley decides in November they're not going to like, it's a wrap, because that means he's probably lost Georgia as well and, of course, pennsylvania and Michigan. And if that happens like, there's no, there's no mathematical path to victory for Trump.

Speaker 1: 10:50

So I, you know, I know we're all pulling our hair, pulling our hair out, because we're concerned, because we know if Trump wins, things are probably going to go down He'll and terrifically fat or terrifically fast, as he's mentioned, he'll be dictator on day one, but like it's not doom and gloom right. So there's a lot of paths to victory for Biden, and today is proof that there's not that many for Trump. And so if you just do the work, guys, you turn out the vote like we should be OK. Like again, it's a long, it's a long time between now and November. So you got to hustle, you got to do the work, got to spread the word. It's a long time.

Speaker 2: 11:32

But it's not enough time and honestly like OK, I don't know, maybe this should be for my closing thoughts, but I am trumpets a whole lot and I know that Biden will trounce his ass into the general election, but while people are celebrating that Nikki Haley beat him, that honestly worries me Because I honest to God popular or not opinion, I feel like Nikki Haley is a more formidable opponent to Biden than Trump is, because the independence, the moderates, those at the center, the undecided, look at her and think that that is their way out to vote for her, cast a vote for her. I don't even know why I'm about to fucking cry right now.

Speaker 1: 12:48

No, just relax a little bit, you don't have to like lose your mind.

Speaker 2: 12:51

It's okay.

Speaker 1: 12:52

I'll offer you some reassurance here, right? So, like, obviously, what Nikki Haley is doing here is trying to run a campaign to fracture Trump's vote support to make sure he loses in November or in the odd chance that he somehow, due to circumstances that we're probably all very familiar with, this point doesn't end up being the nominee and she can, like you know, she'll be the last person standing and she can run against Biden in 2024. And you might be right, like, if you look at it on the surface, there are voters that Trump will never be able to win, that Nikki Haley could possibly win over, you know, for a variety of reasons. And not, like, we don't have enough time to get into that in this podcast. Sorry, guys, it's one of those things you have to say for neviery, although we did talk about this for a moment. So I longer aside, sorry. So I was on spoutable earlier hosting a pod with with the founder, christopher boozy. Hopefully we'll get a chance to get that audio to you in due time, but we talked more about that in depth there. Maybe we'll just, you know, stay tuned for that. Maybe that'll be on our podcast, maybe that'll be on spoutable, but I'll get that to you.

Speaker 1: 14:03

But back to Nikki Haley specifically. Yeah, so she might have a lane to win over some voters that Trump can't. On the flip side, if Haley becomes the nominee, the same way she's fracturing the vote of Trump supporters. Like Trump will also take his voters, his base and go home. He'll take his ball and his voters in in 2024. He'll be like good luck, you know, nikki Haley, good luck went in without, you know, 20, 30% of the Mac base. So whatever your concerns might be about a Biden Haley election is I get it if we existed in a vacuum. But in a world where Trump exists and people just simply will not go out to vote if Trump isn't on the back, if Trump isn't on the ballot, we'd be better off with the fucking Haley Biden matchup. To be fair, we not only would we win the house, we probably win the Senate and we might win some red states that you never even heard of by like.

Speaker 3: 15:09

Like it will not hurt like her.

Speaker 2: 15:23

We can't. Trump is the nominee, no question wins down Nikki. My confidence is shaken in that, though we have our shot in Florida and she won the DC primary in this. That makes her dangerous to me.

Speaker 1: 16:07

No, I get it, I understand what you're saying. Like Nikki as a candidate, you're like, oh man, this should be tough competition. But like again, like we don't live in a world where Nikki Haley exists with, with no Trump, right, that just that's not how. It's not how it works. Like in, I hate to like, I don't really. It's not that I hate these guys, but I'm not a huge Lincoln project.

Speaker 1: 16:37

We don't talk about that much on the podcast. I'm not really big fan of theirs. I do, however, rock with with Rick Wilson. That's my guy. I, you know, I kick with him, you know, and one of the things he talks about is that they because they do polling on this, you know what, what an election look like without Trump is the candidate and bare minimum 15, 20% of Trump voters. Not only are they not voting for Nikki Haley, they're not voting period, like they lit, like literally 10% of the electorate will not exist on in November, like they're not coming out and that could be like disastrous for Republicans in more ways. And just not one in the presidency, like that's that, like the house is done in that case, probably losing the Senate. And you know, I can't imagine, like you know, in semi competitive states where, like, governorships are involved. Like you know, obviously North Carolina, they've got a Nazi candidate running.

Speaker 2: 17:41

Jesus fucking Christ, that's my home, fucking state yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 17:46

Well, you know that's. It's, that's a Republicans Democrats still have a reasonably normal candidate running against them, so it's it's not. But what I'm saying is it's like just based on pretty simple numerical math, like if Trump's not the nominee, the entire party is doomed and that's probably why they've been so dedicated to making sure he wins these, these primaries, even if it, you know, he does come out weaker having faced Nikki Haley. But yeah, what I'm saying is is whatever fear you might have about Nikki Haley as a candidate, totally understandable and respect that. But like that's only in a vacuum, like in real world circumstances, you know, GOP nominee Nikki Haley would doom the Republican Party.

Speaker 2: 18:35

And, as I hope you're right, yeah. I swear to God, I hope you are fucking right.

Speaker 1: 18:40

Yeah, um. So moving on from that again, if you want more, you know post Super Tuesday election coverage, I'll have that coming to you from from Mr Boozy here spent two and a half hours with that dude chopping it up, so you know you've got plenty of basically pardon the insurrection style content with the whole, or rather the owner and operator of spoutable coming. So it was also a big day in the lives of our co host here, so Carol had her birthday yesterday. Big for my, allowed to tell people how old you are, or do we like?

Speaker 3: 19:23

now I'm 40. I'm 40.

Speaker 1: 19:28

You sound so excited.

Speaker 3: 19:29

I'm so excited. Now people can say, wow, you look good for 40.

Speaker 1: 19:40

I don't want to be extremely forward, but like you look good.

Speaker 2: 19:44

No matter.

Speaker 1: 19:45

Yeah, it doesn't matter how old you were. If I were drunk in a bar and you were there, I would sloppily hit on you. How about that? I concur.

Speaker 2: 20:00

I would sloppily hit on Carol too.

Speaker 1: 20:03

Yeah, you'd have me and Ty trying to take you home, except for the unfortunate fact that Ty is no longer single. She tied the knot earlier today. She's a newlywed. I know like, don't worry, we're not keeping her away from her husband tonight. They already consummated that thing before they even got started, so they got the formalities out of the way a number of times. Yeah, so even in the world of 2024, where everything seems to be going to hell in a hand basket, you do occasionally get some good news like this. So just wanted to take the time to celebrate my co-hosts, whom I love dearly and appreciate very much. So I'm happy to have you guys as friends and associates and, I guess, co-workers at this point, even though none of you were getting paid.

Speaker 1: 21:05

But you know we might have the opportunity to fix that one day. You know, again, we keep up at this rate. You know I'm friends with the tech CEO. Not to brag, no, I'm kidding, it's the lamest name drop ever. It's like, oh, you're hanging out with the CEO, it's availablecom huh. But you know, hopefully we'll have the opportunity over the course of this next year to grow our audience to a sizable degree. And you know I'm not personally doing this for money, but I would like to be in a position where I could afford to pay you, to pay the two of you, for the contributions that you provide to this venture Also as we were all talking about pay us, and then democracy, and then I think we were going to pay us the produce.

Speaker 1: 22:06

Okay. So, first and foremost, I forgot to mention this, but I was on, so start me up with Kimberly Johnson a couple of weeks ago. Like just do me a favor.

Speaker 3: 22:20

I love her.

Speaker 1: 22:21

Yeah, that's my girl.

Speaker 1: 22:23

Go back and listen to that episode, you know, just for me, so we can give her a little bump. She's fantastic. She's wonderfully friendly, very studious, informed. She's also a great interviewer. She asks questions in a way that I would like never have thought to formulate a question Just fantastic. Anyway, I'm also going to appear on Stephanie Miller's show. I think I'll be on there Tuesday, so stay tuned for that. You boys, I don't want to like brag on myself, but I do feel like a very appreciated that other people in the pro democracy community are taking note of me and want to have me on as a guest, Like it's. You know I again. It's very flattering.

Speaker 3: 23:13

And we can't blame them.

Speaker 1: 23:15

Oh, thanks Shucks.

Speaker 2: 23:17

No, you don't. You don't fall asleep.

Speaker 1: 23:20

Well, look, that is like the. That's my thing. That is the comedic relief of the podcast. One day, when I can absolutely guarantee that the both of you will carry the podcast for me, I am in like going to do the podcast high in honor of Carol, like I'm a take it out of the pool. We're going to see how poorly that goes, like I can only imagine.

Speaker 1: 23:43

Like cause my my drug of choice is alcohol. In case you didn't know, like not that I'm an alcoholic, I don't. I don't drink that often, but like I, you know, I would enjoy a glass of whiskey from time to time. As we're recording the podcast, maybe you can tell when when those episodes might be. But aside from that, so yeah, going to be on with Stephanie Miller Thursday. You know, and like she's, she's constantly like reading my tweets off on her show. Again, it's in me name, drop it, I'm just tickled it it it's. It's delightful to be a fan of other people's work and then, over the course of time, you come to discover that those people appreciate you, even though you, you know, in my case I'm just some clown on the internet. Um, in, me and Ty we're talking about this earlier like, uh, the Midas Touch podcast has just become the re D Knights tweets show.

Speaker 1: 24:45

They must love them, or or at least like I think. Um, over the past week or so, I think I've listened to a couple of episodes and they you know, ben is quite caught enough to shout me out, cause I think he was like he was saying, like, like this, this black night.

Speaker 2: 25:05

I just love this account. I just love this guy.

Speaker 1: 25:08

And then, and then he's just like all right, he just goes down a list of my tweets, which is pretty, pretty funny, um, but yeah, I like those guys. Those are my peoples and you know, of course, like, if you're listening to our podcast, make sure you support those those guys. They do great work over Midas Touch. Uh, stephanie, stephanie Miller, kimberly Johnson and also, uh, you know, um, feel free to check out my girl Molar. She wrote um. Allison Gale. She does fantastic work. She's got like like an insurmountable amount of work that she puts into her podcast doing the daily beans, and Jack with a Um, wait, I'm getting them confused.

Speaker 2: 25:53

So she does clean up.

Speaker 1: 25:55

Wait, wait, wait. She does clean up on our 45 as well, and that's the one that she holds with Pete Strach. So Jack's Andrew McCabe. Yeah, okay, I was like wait, I can't remember which one of them is on which podcast or she's like, yeah, I'm so mad Like she, she swooped it.

Speaker 1: 26:13

Not that I don't love you two guys, but like you know, I'm a Pete Strach guy and I feel like if she gets Andrew McCabe like can I at least host a show with Pete Strach, I mean damn, just stealing. Stealing all my favorite people, you know, all my favorite law enforcement.

Speaker 2: 26:29

I will allow it. I allow it. Yeah, you do it. You want?

Speaker 1: 26:33

No, I'll just I'm kidding, but yeah, I just you know she does great work.

Speaker 1: 26:38

I'll allow it. Yeah, Make sure you check all those people out. Support our community. Uh, like you know, like I get accused of this all the time on the internet's, on the social media's, from the white I do this every time on the underworld, the right wing nut jobs. It's just so ironic how white wing nut jobs is also applicable uh, of being like a paid democratic chill like the DNC somehow funding this operation. Dude, I tweet on the fucking internet and I record a podcast on zoom. Like no one's out here funding this. I'm not doing it for money, I just don't want to survive. I don't want to end up in you know in a pogrom?

Speaker 2: 27:19

Yeah, you don't want to be pogromed. We don't want to be pogrom, yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:24

Trump is literally out here telling you he's going to round people up on day one. Uh, yeah, and like I know, if you're white you're probably assuming. Well, he means, you know, immigrants who aren't here legally correct. No, he just means whoever he feels like rounding up.

Speaker 3: 27:40

Where were the fuck?

Speaker 2: 27:41

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:41

Yeah so you brown I'm not, I'm not brown, I'm black. I, my family's been here longer than his family, and he's going to deport my ass. So, yes, obviously I am doing this out of like, yes, it is out of self interest, but it's not financial self interest, it's self preservation. Um, a fact that I wish the media would take a little bit more time to assess, like what the dangers would be of a second Trump administration, cause he's always said on numerous occasions that one of the things he's going to do if he ever returns to power is lock up the media, and that includes you, msnbc, uh, also you, cnn, and probably even though they haven't maybe they haven't answered to this, I don't know Fox news. He's going to come out for you guys too. You aren't immune to this shit.

Speaker 2: 28:30

Um, I don't know, I feel like Might as touch Lincoln project. I'm going to be some of the first. Oh yeah, okay, fair enough Round the fuck up.

Speaker 1: 28:40

Well, fuck up, but I think you know people hate to do this like, but I think about this a lot all the time here lately. Um. So one of the things Hitler and I know guys you're like, uh, the Hitler comparison, that's when you tune out. Not the Hitler again but I'm not going to like the justice concerned about that, as I was before, so I mean that's totally fair.

Speaker 1: 29:05

But what I'm saying is like people jump to like all the Holocaust. He's going to massacre the maybe, but like that's not even. What I'm talking about is like what happens to states where authoritarians come into power, the first thing that they do it isn't necessarily go after their enemies, or they don't necessarily go after the you know the minority. What they do is they go after members of their own party.

Speaker 3: 29:34

So they power.

Speaker 1: 29:35

So the one of the first things Hitler did when he became chancellor and you can read about this like it's right there, you know he basically Rachel Baderkoffer.

Speaker 2: 29:45

Put it like she put it out.

Speaker 1: 29:48

Oh, I don't know, this is totally unrelated to it. Anyway, the first thing he did was clean house. You can read it like the night of long lives. Just go ahead and look that up. So you know how, uh, famously uh, hitler's you know proud boys were the brown shirts. Right, they were very instrumental in instilling fear into the public but also motivating people to come out and vote for the Nazi socialist party.

Speaker 1: 30:17

Well, when Hinsler Hitler became chancellor, you know the first thing he did was got rid of the Goon squad, and when I say got rid of the Goon squad, I mean permanently. Fonito, you know he wasn't. You knew he was going to be a president. He was going to come after, uh, the Jewish community, because look at the things he was willing to do to his own party. Uh, I think there was even a form. Was there a former, former chancellor who ended up supporting the socialist? He said look, there's a whole list of people that Hitler took out um over the course of a 48, 72 hour span, where he just wiped out what he saw could be a potential threat within the Nazi party, and then it was off to the races from there.

Speaker 1: 31:01

Well, trump's probably going to do the same thing Should he ever end up in office. And you know Republicans, yeah, you support him now, but he's going to ask you to do some crazy shit. He's going to go past the line that you're not willing, uh, to support. He's going to take you out and then includes you too, fox news. So be prepared, warning you in advance. Um.

Speaker 3: 31:22

I've done like listening and then also thinking about the stuff. Hey you know, what All the lesser people? He's basically like he's probably friends with Putin. He's got a little bunker.

Speaker 1: 31:34

I mean you joke about that, but Tucker might be listening. It's not like he works for Fox News anymore, he's a more of an independent contractor. This point, um, you know. Uh, to be fair, Tucker Carlson is Russian state sponsored media at this point, Right.

Speaker 3: 31:51

Didn't I say that he's probably hanging out in his? Bunker within Putin's bunker, bunker yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm sorry I'm rambling, I'm like just dominating the entire show. Just apologize for that. What happens is when you've like been talking for three hours and then you'd like, all right, it's time to do your own podcast. Um, like, I just want to make sure there's no dead air. So I got to see just how to keep feeling the the air with content.

Speaker 3: 32:22

But you're saying I should talk more. I will talk more. Let us talk about the next subject.

Speaker 1: 32:28

Yeah, so obviously Good, good moods Next topic please, so obviously um. The Trump campaign issued a ruling yesterday, uh, putting Donald Trump back on the ballot in Colorado in the Trump campaign issued the ruling.

Speaker 3: 32:51

You mean Scotis.

Speaker 1: 32:52

The Trump reelection pack. Yeah, this is. The Supreme Court of the United States issued a ruling ruling yesterday, um, from the Trump appeal of the Colorado Supreme Court ruling taking him off the ballot for inciting insurrection. Um, big picture. What? What the Supreme Court ruled is that? Well, first of all, trump is an insurrectionist. So they they didn't dispute that fact in any shape, form or fashion. They actually just rather ignored it and went straight to putting Trump back on the ballot. But they also said that individual states can't remove federal candidates for office, or at least can't in terms of enforcing section three of the 14th amendment. Um, now, that was a nine O concurrent opinion. Uh. If you dug into the metadata, though, however, you can see where the nine O would seem to be a unified decision was actually a partial concurrent concurrence and a partial dissent on behalf of four of the minority.

Speaker 1: 34:04

The four justices in the minority, uh, the Democrat appointed uh justices, along with, surprisingly, Amy Coney Barrett, who watered down her dissent slightly. Uh, but what they were saying is because the rather the majority went a little further than just preventing states from enforcing section three of the 14th amendment. They went on to say that only Congress can enforce section three of the 14th amendment, the insurrection clause, and they can only. They even limited. They limited it even further by saying only by passing uh, you know, uh, in acting legislation, basically passing a bill creating a law that enforce who creates a process to enforce, uh, section three of the 14th amendment. So they went super far.

Speaker 1: 34:53

Long story short, what they did is they made it impossible. They made it impossible for an insurrectionist to be removed from the ballot. That's basically what happened. Because they're like, not only can the courts not do it, not not the states, not the federal courts, not even Congress by choosing to not see an insurrectionist, but you have to enact the statute, pass a law, create a bill, pass a law, uh, enforcing the insurrection that they basically killed, section three. That's what they did.

Speaker 3: 35:30

Fuck, I'm trying to process that, you know.

Speaker 1: 35:37

It's very disheartening.

Speaker 3: 35:39

At one level. I'm like, if there was, if it was unanimous, like surely they wouldn't lead us down this path. But I don't see how haven't we enforced that before, like after the Civil War Did?

Speaker 2: 35:56

they just enforce that by locking people up.

Speaker 1: 35:59

No, did they pass?

Speaker 3: 36:01

a law at the time, and if so, is that law not on the books anymore?

Speaker 1: 36:05

No, they actually. So what you're talking about is precedent and starved. Incidences in the Supreme Court like here's about neither. But yeah, I mean specifically. There was a period after the Civil War, after the enabrament of the 14th Amendment, where numerous former Confederates weren't allowed to take seats in state legislatures and state offices and weren't eligible for election for federal office. With no law on the books, they were just like amen, ain't no insurrectionists and everyone. Just, it's as clear as day that there's precedent, that you don't need an enabling legislation.

Speaker 1: 36:49

But another issue was like just given the way the Supreme Court has gutted federal oversight, enforcement of other sections of the 14th Amendment and the 15th Amendment, all of the post-Civil War legislation like when they feel like it it states rights, and then when it's like something they don't want states to do, like oh well, now Congress is supposed to do the job. Like, even though I'm sick of the Supreme Court, like we have to stop treating them like a legitimate body. They're bad faith actors and they broadcast it in advance what they were all, what they were going to do. Like it was no surprise that we're going to try and find a way to wriggle out of keeping Trump off the ballot, but they went so ridiculously far as to make it impossible to keep any insurrectionists off the ballot. Just just bananas, just fucking bonkers Like you can get more in-depth legal, like legal at or I can't talk four hours into this legal analysis about what the court, or rather what the Supreme Court ruling means, how it ignores precedent, how it affects the possibility of the or rather how it affects the possibility of the 14th Amendment being used in the future. You just have to tell you it's basically straight up bullshit. They don't care what's in the Constitution and it's not the liberal justice's fault. Like again, you're going to see that nine-oh.

Speaker 1: 38:25

But that doesn't spell out exactly what happened. I believe they intended to leave a lot more wiggle room for federal courts and Congress through a number of means to keep insurrectionists off the ballot. But you know the actual insurrectionists. They're like nah, we got to bail Trump out and that the fact I know I keep rambling on and on and I'm so sorry, but there's been so much the fact that they issued this ruling over email, like the court wasn't even, wasn't even in session. They didn't wait until they were back on the bench. They're like no Super Tuesdays tomorrow. We got to drop our campaign donation to the Trump organization or the Trump campaign. Yeah, yeah, very disheartening. You guys look so defeated.

Speaker 2: 39:20

I'm tired.

Speaker 3: 39:25

And this was part of the fucking plan. Just continuously just down with different news and shit for years and years, to the point where I'm like, yeah, whatever my rights, yeah, fuck it, that's their plan. They've beat us into exhaustion. Anyway, what were we talking about Doom? No, I'm just kidding, we're fine.

Speaker 1: 39:51

Yeah, the Trump right is where we're heading.

Speaker 3: 39:56

One of those guys has to die eventually.

Speaker 1: 40:00

Well, you know the way the media covers it. It seems like they're hoping it's Biden that goes. You know, obviously Biden's bad for writings. He's boring and you can tell that from like the news stories. Like the only thing they ever really seem to talk about is one when he's underperforming in polls, because when he's performing well in polls he just totally ignore that shit. And two like his age, but they don't talk about anything else. All of his accomplishments, the economy, the bills he's passed, how they've had an effect on people's lives None of that Don't care.

Speaker 1: 40:34

Yep, and then Trump was good for ratings. You were tuning in every morning into the Trump show, whether that be on CNN, the MSNBC or Fox. All four years of his administration. He was like what the fuck is he going to do next? Or is this going to be the day we're all going to die? You know the media is willing to risk our very existence, if not just our democracy, to get that dude back in office for ratings is insane. You know, sometimes I think about helping Trump win, just so he can kill them first. But you know, then I come to my second.

Speaker 1: 41:11

Yeah, that's, that's the thing. Maybe if I was a little bit lower on the list of priorities I might be enticed. Oh God, all right, you know anything else you guys been keeping up with with the news? I know the finding Willis thing down in Georgia went off the rails. I don't think she's going to be disqualified because there's no real evidence presented. It's worthy of that. But you know, anything can happen again when it's up to the judge's discretion. No, don't care.

Speaker 3: 41:39

I just see this as a fine example of a general policy of honesty and, you know, having a reputation. I think that really dishonest and unreliable people underestimate the importance of credibility Because they don't think about it, because they lie all the time but they don't consider like I'm not to be an asshole, but like I consider. I think that people say incredible because I don't, I don't lie in general, like I'm extremely honest, and if it ever came up, I think that would that would be strongly in my favor because I had that's a fucking reputation trait and people who don't have that are just like they kind of forget that other people do value that. I don't know what we were talking about anymore.

Speaker 1: 42:40

It's totally fine. So, kenneth Cheese bro.

Speaker 3: 42:44

We were not talking about him.

Speaker 1: 42:45

No, I was just moving on to another subject that you know either of you might find particularly interesting. So it turns out that he's bro, you know.

Speaker 1: 42:57

So he's been. He's been making the tour around various states of which he entered, tried to basically steal the election in 2020, cooperating with investigators, and it turns out like he made a statement saying that he didn't have any social media accounts that weren't already publicly known and that turned out to be untrue, while in fact, on you know, his official cheese bro account, he was saying the fake elect to plot was about legal challenges in court, while on this burner account, kevin Durant style, he was saying that the fake electors were all about providing political cover for Republicans to steal the election. So that's a big rock roll. Also had a bunch of text messages with the cohort that he was plotting all of this with be released to the public, outlining the plot, and it's entirely which is another huge rock roll moment Either of you having to keep up with that by any chance. No, no, that's okay. So Alan Weisselberg here he is.

Speaker 1: 44:07

Yeah, he's forked. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

Speaker 2: 44:13

So, he's.

Speaker 1: 44:14

He's entered into a guilty plea with the New York State AG's office I believe. Where's the Manhattan, no, yes, state AG's office for committing perjury while on the stand while testifying at the Trump or civil fraud trial. So he's headed back to Rikers for upwards of six months here, after having previously served a stint for engaging in tax fraud for some shenanigans that he you know with the Trump or Wax, where he was getting paid off the books. No, you don't remember that. So remember like they were trying to get him to flip and he wouldn't.

Speaker 3: 44:51

Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 44:52

They tried him, sent him to jail and they were like all right, as part of your, your lenient sentence, you got to agree not to cooperate but to testify in the Trump or trial. Well, he testified a lot on the stand that he wasn't directly involved in inflating the size of the Trump penthouse, the, the triplex, which you know is not going to do legal counsel any favors, considering George and Gorm was asking about that and Alina Habba and company was like oh no, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Now. Dudes pled guilty and the perjury, and you know like they've got an obligation if they know that they're like, they're defendant, like their client is committed perjury or committed some other crime in the eyes of the court, and if they're not forthcoming about that, I mean Alina Habba is going to get disbarred.

Speaker 1: 45:51

Let's just put it that way. But yeah, just you know, feel like that should be huge news. Media doesn't care. You know how many times is Trump's CFO have to get indicted and go to jail before that becomes a story, I don't know. Seems like that's more important than like. Imagine if it was, you know, the CFO of the Clinton Foundation that cost Clinton a billion dollars and then got indicted in with the jail twice. Like that'd be a huge story for the media. Trust me crazy. I'm dead inside. I'm trying to get into Carol.

Speaker 3: 46:28

What? I'm just sleepy.

Speaker 1: 46:30

No, I just you know, like how you were commenting about the experience with the news.

Speaker 3: 46:36

It's just just not my deeper, subterranean fear that I'm becoming dead inside.

Speaker 1: 46:45

They can't see you making hand motions. Carol's audio only podcast.

Speaker 3: 46:52

Someone else listening to our conversation?

Speaker 1: 46:53

Hopefully so Not.

Speaker 2: 46:58

Ty though.

Speaker 1: 46:59

Yeah, I don't know so.

Speaker 3: 47:01

I dropped off the call.

Speaker 1: 47:02

I don't know where Ty went, but I'm assuming she'll be back eventually. Some other topics we'll have to get to later on this week. I imagine was is a. So Trump got sued by his business partners the truth social, you know. Days after the SEC practically approved the merger with truth social and digital world acquisitions, the blank checks back. So you know that four billion more probably wouldn't end up being four billion but, like the multi billion stock options probably aren't going to pay off any time soon, given that I imagine that the way this will end is with an accord injunction against the merger. We'll try and talk about that a little bit more later on this week. Scotland's also investigating Trump for fraud. You know the whole.

Speaker 3: 48:01

An extra item. I just come over here and play some golf. Ok, we don't want to buy your city, golf course.

Speaker 1: 48:13

Well, just in the same way that Trump was just in a civil's trial over inflating the value of his assets in order to gain, you know, advantages when seeking loans and such, and deflating them for tax purposes, scotland's out here investigating him for the same thing, but this property is over there. So that's you know. Look for that to to balloon into some massive legal handicap for him in the future. Also, wisconsin referred his pack to local prosecutors for criminal prosecution. Did you hear about that, carol?

Speaker 3: 48:53

No wait, yes. Yeah you're in Don't hear so many things.

Speaker 1: 48:57

There's so much is difficult to keep up with, so it's possible his packet end up being under indictment in state court in Wisconsin for basically what's a? I mean, it's practically a money laundering scheme, just violating, violating election contribution laws by giving more money to a candidate than they're supposed to receive, using his pack to do it. Just this absolutely wild, like the dude can't stop crying. And also there was a crazy story of Clarence Thomas Huyga, a law clerk who's infamous for a text message claiming that she hates black people. It's not even huge news, really. I just wanted to embarrass Clarence Thomas because fuck that guy.

Speaker 3: 49:48

Can you be embarrassed? He doesn't have any. He doesn't have any like any kind of street cred. I mean, that's also fair.

Speaker 1: 49:56

It would take Clarence Thomas being subject to the possibility of experiencing shame, which we all know to be an impossibility for him. He doesn't know what shame is, can't define it, never felt it. Yeah, so anyway we will. I will try to get around to a few of those topics in further depth later on this week, hopefully with the lovely Tara Dublin. We have the opportunity when she's available and before we get out of here. Of course, we have to give our patented, patented shithole of the week award. I forgot who I was going to nominate, ty or Carol, rather.

Speaker 3: 50:41

Did you mention it before? I think it was. You heard so many shitholes.

Speaker 1: 50:46

Yeah, that's the thing. Like it's been such an infinite amount of shitholes every single week over the last few months here it's difficult to keep up with which one was what episode. You know, I think I'm going to. I had a couple of honorary mentions but I think I'm going to go with Dean Phillips honestly, because the dude said when he he launched his campaign that today was the day that if it seemed like his campaign wasn't viable that he would hang it up, drop out and then he would go indoors. Biden and you know continue to campaign for him until Election Day and you know, if you've seen the polls, seen the results of Super Tuesday, his campaigns are dead. Like Biden killed off the Dean Phillips campaign. Like like Marion Williamson was getting about as many votes as his dude, like undecided was beating Dean Phillips campaigns over and this dude's talking about he's going to, he's going to reevaluate, but he might stick and get the fuck out of here Dean Phillips, shithole of the week. So you got any closing thoughts? Bonnie Chance.

Speaker 3: 51:58

Yes, don't try to Place a dinner order for the week at 12 30 AM while you're trying to do a podcast, because then you won't be a very good co-host. It's just my tip. Those are my tips, Also, having done this from personal experience.

Speaker 1: 52:12

Your options become limited, the later it gets as well. So not only are you not going to be the greatest of co-hosts, you're going to be disappointed when you do get your food, and all likelihood. So, yeah, it's unfortunate. Sorry Carol, I'll order you tonight.

Speaker 3: 52:34

I've eaten dinner, I'm going to bed. I'll order you something in advance. Meal planning, oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:41

As for my closing thoughts, I'm just you know again.

Speaker 1: 52:44

I know we're all worried. We're concerned because of what happened in 2016, which you know. Again, like, I don't think we could talk about this enough what a unique circumstance or unique set of circumstances that was that led to Hillary Clinton losing her job and Trump winning, even though she got a larger share of the vote than he did. But just from the way things look right now, biden is set to, In all likelihood, when the 2024 election like again.

Speaker 1: 53:18

This isn't me saying be complacent. This is me saying, if we turn out to vote, biden's going to win. So, just, you know, have plans on doing that. You'll have a lot less to worry about, and, of course, we're going to talk about this more over the course of the rest of the year. But my major concern isn't the actual election, because you know, I'm not here on fire guy. I'm really practical and if it looked like Biden was going to lose, I'll tell you. Hey, maybe we should like be concerned about that. What I really am concerned about, however, is that Biden's going to get enough votes to win, enough states that he's, you know, easily going to beat Trump.

Speaker 3: 54:01

But that states you know.

Speaker 1: 54:03

Republican states are probably going to try and cheat and have the election end up in front of the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court is going to engage in some shenanigans and give the Trump anyway. You've got to be vigilant about this shit, Like you know. You've got to be vigilant about the Trump election. Be vigilant about this shit, Like, get your outrage ready now, before they even have the opportunity.

Speaker 1: 54:28

You know it's time to start getting vocal about how compromised the Supreme Court is so that once you know, everything is hanging in the balance and the decision is in front of them to honor the will of the voters or, you know, send us spiraling into autocracy that they make the right decision, that's. That's really the only way Republicans are probably going to win, but I'm absolutely damn sure the Supreme Court is going to try it. We got to make sure we don't let that shit happen.

Speaker 3: 54:59

I'm sorry, but then what the fuck? Ok, I know this is your closing thoughts, but like Would? We are in control of the government currently. They would just, they wouldn't. You would be like, yeah, but also fuck you, or you know, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 55:14

I don't understand what you're saying. What you what you're saying is the Supreme Court ain't got no fucking army Right. And that concludes this episode of poor in the insurrection.