The Nodfather: Don Snorleone

Ever nodded off at a moment when you wished you hadn't? You're in good company – or at least, the same boat as a certain former president. This episode is a rollercoaster ride through the quirky, meme-worthy moment when Trump took a courtroom snooze, coined affectionately here as "Don Snorleone." While we chuckle at the absurdity, we don't shy away from the deeper conversation about media bias and courtroom stress that might have led to such a snoozy faux pas. Plus, we consider the spectacle of jury selection in high-profile cases, where seeing a celebrity defendant in the flesh can feel like an alternate reality.

Remember the '90s when the O.J. Simpson trial had us glued to our screens, disrupting even the NBA finals? We take a nostalgic look back at the trial that transformed media consumption and gave us unforgettable characters and courtroom drama. Then, it's a hop, skip, and a jump to the present, where we juxtapose the Trump trial's chaos with the calculated moves of the past. The trials of Trump and O.J. may be different in nature, but they're united in their cultural magnetism and the discussion they stir about the power of celebrity within the justice system.

Lastly, we ponder a provocative idea: has the line between outrageous and acceptable behavior blurred beyond recognition? In a world post-January 6th, we explore how Simpson's hypothetical case might have played out and what that says about our current views on accountability. This episode is a thought-provoking mix of humor, insight, and a touch of nostalgia – a look at how public figures' legal woes become part of our collective narrative and reshape our understanding of justice. So, buckle up for a candid conversation on the trials, the media, and the seemingly insane world we navigate.

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:18

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Speaker 3: 0:19

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Speaker 1: 0:22

Yes, you are. If you didn't know by now, we're not actually pro-Insurrection. Obviously that is a play on words. If you're new to the podcast, welcome. It's a pleasure to have you Prepare to get engaged with a bunch of absolutely fucking ridiculous nonsense, because it's been that kind of week. But before we get to that, let's give a quick shout out to our sponsor, sheets and Giggles. The CEO, my friend Colin McIntosh, is an amazing individual who provided us with some awesome sheets. They're extraordinarily comfortable and they're super soft. And in case you're ever in a situation where a foreign adversary is launching hundreds of missiles and drones at you, despite the fallout of that particular attack, you'll still be comfortable as long as you're sleeping in a set of sheets from sheets and giggles.

Speaker 3: 1:11

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Speaker 3: 2:02

The record reflect that he pointed to himself.

Speaker 1: 2:06

Oh yeah, it's an audio podcast. Y'all can't see me. Yeah, visual jokes don't work on an audio only format. Sorry about that, but yeah. So Trump fell asleep in the middle of the jury selection process and you know, of course I helped kick off the jokes. I'm sure you've seen the Don snorleone everywhere, thanks to me. Someone coined the term nod father. I thought that was pretty fucking hilarious oh, that one's good.

Speaker 1: 2:33

I do the nod because he nodded off. That was great, but you know, can either of you imagine a world in which, like there was a highly televised incident involving President Biden's freedom being on the line and him falling asleep? Can you imagine the uproar?

Speaker 2: 2:50

I mean they already like deep fake, all kinds of stuff about Biden. This would just be handing them on a platter. We never hear the end of it ever, ever, ever we don't hear the end of the fake shit. Imagine a real incident.

Speaker 1: 3:07

I mean I feel like the media would be calling for Biden's resignation. They'd be like, hey, when's the 25th? I mean, when's the cabinet going to get involved and invoke the 25th Amendment? They'd be telling them to drop out of the race. It'd be like a firestorm of media coverage suggesting Biden's too old. But yet Trump is falling asleep in the middle of this trial.

Speaker 3: 3:27

I don't say anything about sleepy Don.

Speaker 1: 3:31

Well, we kind of laugh at it and then we move on and that just goes to show. That highlights how skewed the news coverage is of each of these people.

Speaker 2: 3:42

I've fallen asleep on this podcast. I've fallen asleep at work, I fell asleep during training, so I really, I really don't care so much.

Speaker 1: 3:51

It's funny as hell I wasn't gonna bring up that.

Speaker 2: 3:54

You fell asleep on the podcast I was more enthralled with how fucking awful he looked like oh yeah, he looked like those bags and I think he was listening to lawrence and he tried to to blend to his ears with that rouge or whatever the hell it is he slacks his face with.

Speaker 1: 4:19

But yeah, he went back to the corners for a change, but yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:23

But the eyes were so puffy and then that pink like all bloodshot, it was so distracting. And the hair, the two different colors, and it just he looked unkempt, he looked unwashed and I just kept thinking about Lawrence O'Donohue and he was like that face, like how many times he had said that the Jews are going to have to look at that face and wanting to sneak a peek, and I was looking at it through media and I I was taken aback. It looks like a dumpster fire.

Speaker 1: 5:07

It's a. It's a shame that, like a former president of the United States, looks like some kind of character off of Tropic Thunder.

Speaker 3: 5:15

He was probably crying, you know, right before that. Maybe, someone should call adult services on Melania.

Speaker 1: 5:22

Well, he's been having a rough week, you know, given that his true social stock is all the way down to $22 a share. So I'm sure he's like crying inside about the prospects of actually being a billionaire at this point. Boo hoo, I guess. But yeah, I mean, maybe that's what's keeping him up at night and that's why he's falling asleep in the middle of his own criminal trial. It's the first day and he was nodding off.

Speaker 3: 5:52

Also, we're like recording this on the second day of trial. Uh, he also not nodded off and dozed off this morning too, you know wonder if it's like well, don't try to spin it as like some deliberate show of contempt. I've seen, I've seen like he's just so comfortable because he knows he's an innocent man.

Speaker 2: 6:03

Oh my, god, I thought, I thought for sure the no wait, it was the opposite never mind was going to be, that he was praying. I was like, how long before they just start saying that he was praying, because that'll probably that at his next rally, that's probably what he's gonna say, and then he'll, and then they'll clap and then he'll say you know that he had the power of god within him, or something something about the Holy Ghost, I don't know. That's funny.

Speaker 1: 6:25

Can we do reckless speculation for a quick second we?

Speaker 2: 6:28

haven't done that in a long time. All right, here's the disclaimer.

Speaker 1: 6:33

So we don't face a lawsuit like Fox News just settled with the other voting systems company. So yeah, reckless speculation. I think one of the reasons why he's falling asleep is because his lawyers have made sure that he's not on any narcotic substances and so, without the uppers, he is dozing off in the middle of court. Or at least that's just speculation. I'm not saying that's the case. I'm not making any accusations Speculation.

Speaker 2: 7:03

I'm just throwing that out there.

Speaker 1: 7:04

Or he was up snorting all night and was crashing well, speaking of rails, he railed against the judge for not allowing him to. You like that transition, don't you? He railed against the judge for not allowing him to attend barron's high school graduation, despite the fact that the judge is yet to make any decision regarding the matter, saying he'd wait until they were closer to the date. Also, it doesn't appear there's going to be any sort of well court won't be in session that day anyway.

Speaker 3: 7:33

Yeah, I was wondering like is he not supposed to leave the state? What's the issue?

Speaker 1: 7:40

Well, clearly you know Trump is going to have to attend every day of his trial.

Speaker 3: 7:46

Yeah, but if it's a day where he doesn't have court, is he allowed to leave the state of New York?

Speaker 1: 7:50

Yeah, he is, but what he was? Doing Carol is just he was.

Speaker 3: 7:54

Yeah, I know what he's doing.

Speaker 1: 7:56

Yes, he just likes to whine and complain and have grievances, however unfounded, regardless of whether it's factual or not, however unfounded, regardless of whether it's factual or not. Also, you would think like if he was so concerned with being there for his son, baron, whose name I know, which it doesn't appear that he does, you think he'd been concerned with more, concerned with being there for Baron when his wife was pregnant, instead of off gallivanting with porn stars.

Speaker 3: 8:22

Instead of providing the subject matter for this trial.

Speaker 2: 8:26

I wonder where the hell he's been between the birth and now. Like everyone's, like when he was born, but you know when the kid was. I was trying to think of any meaningful interaction over the past 18 years in general.

Speaker 1: 8:44

You know like there had to have been. You know like usually there's a kindergarten interaction over the past 18 years. In general, he's not bearing at the White.

Speaker 2: 8:45

House. There had to have been. You know like usually there's a kindergarten graduation. Usually there's like an elementary school graduation or ceremony.

Speaker 1: 8:53

Then you have, like middle school, a prom or any type of homecoming. Football game.

Speaker 2: 9:02

Any extracurricular interest.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Or even just party with jeffrey epstein or the kid even just playing golf and hanging out something like that, no nothing you know, I would not other than them stage events at the white house you don't really see too many pictures of and there's nothing between the family members, like, like, as far as the siblings, no, you know, like if you have a lot of siblings and there's usually like David has a lot of siblings but he's super close with his brother, brian, and so he's like. You know, brian and I were always super close. I always looked up for him and then him and Jimmy they were. They were close because they shared a room for the longest time, because they're the closest in age.

Speaker 1: 9:45

OK, as someone with like an older brother you know, 10 years older it does kind of make it difficult to be super close to your super older siblings and it.

Speaker 2: 9:56

Can you know and I get that, you know you don't have a lot in common and there's a big difference between 14 and 4 common. You want to distance yourself from them for legal reasons but when you're like 30 and 40 and 40 and 50 and 50 and 60, that age difference is less yeah, it's, it is less pronounced than it is when you're younger.

Speaker 1: 10:20

Well look this is not a normal in a household and it's also funny that Trump is complaining about this. And Carol, you'll probably enjoy this, but you know, given the fact that Trump has four other children, michael Cohen has said he's seen no evidence whatsoever that Donald Trump has attended any of their high school graduations.

Speaker 2: 10:39

Yeah, and I can't. I mean there's been no, Like I've never seen any of his sons at all, and maybe when he said when he keeps talking about how hard he works and how smart he is, it's because he knows that he's the smartest one maybe of them all. Who? That all of his sons, because I was just looking on the internet, which, and I was like has he ever really been with his son? And he was like oh, he brought him out to the consumer electronics show when trump was.

Speaker 2: 11:15

why trump was giving a speech at the CES show is beyond me, but whatevs, but he was like my son could have built, he could have, he hacked Obama's website. Who?

Speaker 1: 11:25

Barron yeah, that's not.

Speaker 2: 11:26

Yeah, yeah, and but that was like the only thing. He was like my son, he can, he can rebuild this website and he can, he can hack into this and he'll save us money, and I was like it was so fucking bizarre.

Speaker 1: 11:42

Uh, yeah, that's very strange. Um, also, uh, the lawyers for DA Bragg's office asked the judge to hold Trump into contempt, or hold Trump in contempt, rather, for his social media postings, uh, targeting witnesses, namely Michael Cohen. The judge said he would hold a hearing next week, on Wednesday, about the matter, and the judge said that Trump must be present for that hearing. I feel like, given the just extraordinarily important nature of Trump, threatening witnesses especially is like we're seating the jury here. You might want to hold that hearing immediately. Just, you know, that's I think it should be is like we're seating the jury here. You might want to hold that hearing immediately. Just you know that's I think it should be.

Speaker 2: 12:20

You know how they used to do, like um, was it love connection, and they'd have three different people but you couldn't see them and then you could only ask them like questions, and you had to pick the best person's sight, unseen, but like I think that they should be behind a curtain and then they just ask the questions. I don't think their faces should be seen. I think they should wear balaclavas when they're going into the, the courthouse, and they should be behind a thing and all they have is they don't know what race they are.

Speaker 3: 12:51

But I would want those protections if I had. If imagine you had been called in for this case, uh, I mean you would be dismissed right away, but like Well, I'm black, so yeah, that's probably the first thing.

Speaker 1: 13:02

That's not what I meant at all.

Speaker 3: 13:03

You have.

Speaker 1: 13:04

Yeah, they wouldn't even like ask me a question, you're a notoriously anti-Trump social media influencer. Okay, you say that, but me personally and I you know, obviously Trump's lawyers wouldn't agree with this, but I actually feel like I could sit on the Trump trial and be objective as far as the facts presented by the lawyers in the case and apply them to the law in question and come to a prudent and fair decision, Because I actually don't want to see Trump go to jail on some bullshit. I want to get convicted.

Speaker 1: 13:35

I want him to be convicted because the prosecutors put on a trial that was clear and well, I guess, not only clear and convincing but presented the evidence that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And if they fail to do that, I would be the first one to not convict Trump and blame the fucking prosecution for them not doing their job.

Speaker 2: 13:56

For fumbling the bag.

Speaker 1: 13:57

Yeah, I'm like as far as a Trump trial goes. I'm like the ideal Biden supporter, because I'm more willing to put aside my biases than most. But yeah, obviously I would never make it. They'd be like, oh, it's the black guy, get him out of here. They wouldn't even get to ask me a question. It'd be like the. It'd be like the homer simpson meme where I walk out of the bushes and they'd be like, oh, peace out.

Speaker 2: 14:21

And then I like well, I just get a barrette that said maga, and then I just wear it inconspicuously well then the prosecution might be like hmm, that's a, that's that's clearly poor decision making skills okay, never mind, I'm so sorry about those gold sneakers.

Speaker 1: 14:38

Yeah, that might. That might be that might counterbalance the blackness enough. Like where maybe the? The prosecution's like eh, we might can let her on, and Trump's team's like eh, maybe she's black, but she bought the shoes.

Speaker 3: 14:56

Well, anyway, I think we can conclude, voir dire, because Dee is going to now sit on the trial despite not living in, you know.

Speaker 1: 15:02

Manhattan.

Speaker 2: 15:03

Hey man if people can run for Congress and not live in that state or city or jurisdiction.

Speaker 1: 15:09

Why can't I sit on the trial? Yeah, I mean, you know, look, I'm not Manhattan material, I don't seem. You know, I don't think of myself as a manhattanite, so it's probably best, um, that I stay away, but so sorry, no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 15:24

No trial for you, except anyway, if you were on the jury, you would. That would put you in a very unfortunate position of not being able to discuss anything on the podcast.

Speaker 1: 15:34

Oh, well, look, that's michael cohen's going to be a witness and he's going to be able to talk on the podcast, but, yeah, you're right, I wouldn't be able to talk about the specifics of the trial, um, also. So, oh, by the end of the day, we the judge did seat seven jurors, which means we're five short of a complete panel and, uh, we're also missing like six alternates. But, yeah, so that we've gotten to this point. At this pace, with seven jurors, we probably should be done with jury selection by the end of the week, if, if not monday at the latest, maybe tuesday.

Speaker 1: 16:08

Um, it did start off slow. I didn't expect it necessarily to move at this pace, but I mean, the judge has been serious about getting this taken care of, so it's likely we're going to see opening statements in the trial of the century as soon as next week. Looking forward to it, can't wait. Also, kara McGee, who was a woman who was dismissed from the prospective jury pool for some job related reasons. She made a couple of interesting quotes. She said it was jarring to see Trump in person, as Tom might have been alluding to earlier about his physical presence.

Speaker 2: 16:49

That was a very politically correct way to put that he was jarring.

Speaker 1: 16:56

Her direct quote was. I think it was closer than that, but um, yeah, she was 30 feet away. Uh, her direct quote was saying, I will quote I had never seen him in person before. You know, and you see someone blown up so larger than life on the media for so many years. To see them in person is very jarring. You get the sense that this is just another guy and also he sees me talking about him, which is bizarre.

Speaker 2: 17:26

Okay, let me decode what you said. You see someone blown up so larger than life means you see someone on TV and they look so glamorous and different. Then you see them in person and you're like yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 17:44

He looks like a translator. Yeah Right, I mean yeah, but she's also saying like he's not an important person.

Speaker 3: 17:54

So I was going to say he ain't shit.

Speaker 1: 17:55

And then I was like I can't say that and then I couldn't think of anything else to say he does look like but no, I mean I I guess, if you do think about it for a second, usually where you see him is like on tv and fucking in some front of some fucking rally at the white house and it looks all prestigious and shit yeah, emperor has no clothes, he's like loud and his voice is booming and he's like super confident and he's smirking and shit.

Speaker 1: 18:16

Then you see him in court. He slumped over and fall asleep and shit, and you're like god damn, he's really just so.

Speaker 3: 18:22

Orange, just brown why are we gonna say he wants to attend all of all of his uh, conferences and hearings and stuff? Is it so he doesn't have to campaign? And then he can just blame this?

Speaker 1: 18:35

yeah, well, he's complaining about having to be there because he's not able to campaign. But hey, can we talk, can we?

Speaker 3: 18:40

rewind for a second. Does he have to be at jury selection?

Speaker 1: 18:44

he has to be there yeah, uh, so uh, can we talk like. Okay, you brought this up again, ty, the thing about him painting himself orange. But has anyone else noticed how the orange keeps getting darker and darker? Yeah like he's all. He's gonna be almost black pretty soon here if he adds any more layers of this fucking makeup is this is this have something to do with, like his comparison, pairing himself to nelson mandela? Does he want to be nelson mandela? Is?

Speaker 2: 19:12

that why you never know what the hell is going on, I think it's part of his general um mental unwellness yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:20

Yeah Well, you know, like when you see a woman who used to be, you know when you would see these old movies, like back in the 50s and 40s, and these like aging starlets, and then they would be putting their makeup on, reminiscing about their days when they were like a 20 year old, putting their makeup on reminiscing about their days when they were like a 20 year old, and and the makeup is so the, the white powder they put on their face and the rouge, the red on their cheeks. It's like so stark and extreme, that's him. And then they're like don't I? Oh, darling, you look like you did in 1932. You know, that's what I in my mind. I think that's what he's really thinking.

Speaker 1: 19:57

It's got to be. He looks like a fucking cartoon character. It's absurd.

Speaker 2: 20:01

And then his hands were so white. His hands were so white, and the rest of him, and I'm thinking. Well, the good news for Trump is that in prison, both Cheetos and chocolate bars are available on, commissary, so he can use those to make that perfect blend of whatever the fuck it is that he puts on his face yeah, and he'll be able to get his.

Speaker 1: 20:26

At least he'll be able to get his diet coke fix yes, he can get his and then he can make his own makeup if he's got any money left

Speaker 3: 20:34

videos from prison to fundraise for commissary.

Speaker 2: 20:39

Oh, can you see him? Picture him in the orange jumpsuit. He's going to be like holding it up.

Speaker 1: 20:44

You too can get your Trump branded jumpsuit for $400.

Speaker 2: 20:50

Hello patriots. This is your president. The president is behind him, because now they have to do time too.

Speaker 1: 20:57

You too can get your Trump branded jumpsuit.

Speaker 2: 21:01

And your detail is Trump and like it's like, like Rikers.

Speaker 1: 21:07

For the low, low price.

Speaker 3: 21:09

Oh, they're not going to send in the Rikers I gave a free jumpsuit to my last lawyer, michael Cohen, or maybe he'll offer a signed copy of him. Lots of associates get a jumpsuit is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 21:25

Man, wait, why are you bringing up his lawyers? So the lawyers in this case Todd Blanche, for starters are far more competent than the Alina Habas of the world, but I'm totally scared that they're going to do a piss poor job over the course of this trial, cause while people have been giving them credit for being good trial lawyers, they did make like one mishap that thing. They pulled with the late subpoenas for information from the Southern district of New York where they were hoping to get some exculpatory evidence. They actually received some inculpatory evidence, making him look even guiltier than he would have otherwise, and that was probably not the smartest move. That's a great way to kick off the start of your trial by subpoenaing evidence that makes your client look even more guilty. That was fucking genius.

Speaker 1: 22:14

But also Trump was mumbling something a few feet away from one of the jurors and Judge Merchant wasn't having that. He was like hey. And he was yelling at Todd Blanch saying, quote I won't tolerate that. I will not have jurors intimidated in this courtroom. I want to make that crystal clear because you know Trump is wanting to lash out emotionally, obviously, given his post-attack witnesses, and while Merchan has been fairly lenient with that up to this point he ain't having it with the fucking jury and Trump's going to spend like I know. I keep saying, and a lot of people keep saying, that Trump won't be held in contempt and he won't spend any time in jail over the course of the trial. He will if he fucks around with the jury.

Speaker 3: 23:04

Yeah, it seems like the line.

Speaker 1: 23:07

Yeah, that's the line where the judge is like, oh hell, no, we ain't having this.

Speaker 3: 23:12

And you know he does not have the self-control.

Speaker 1: 23:15

No.

Speaker 3: 23:15

In fact, maybe they are giving him sleeping drugs. That's his best chance. Oh, you know what?

Speaker 2: 23:20

That is a good, reckless speculation Carol. They are intentionally you know, Benadryling him Like he's a five-year-old. To sedate him. That's funny, because a silent Trump, any silent Trump, even a sleeping Trump, is a silent Trump, is a good Trump in their mind.

Speaker 1: 23:40

Yeah, I think judging Gorin in a civil fraud trial didn't do Trump any favors here, because there wasn't a jury. Judging Gorin left Trump and his lawyers to kind of go off on all these fucking tangents and be kind of ridiculous and put on a clown show, and it probably trained Trump to have the expectation that he could do the same to go off on all these fucking tangents and be kind of ridiculous and put on a clown show and it probably trained Trump to have the expectation that he could do the same in his criminal trial. And that is to Trump's detriment, because this is totally different and Merchan ain't having that shit and like, if he's acting out, it's going to go poorly for him, it's going to go downhill really fast. I'm telling you Merchan is serious about that. He's not going to go poorly for him, it's going to go downhill really fast. I'm telling you Merchan is serious about that. He's not going to have that nonsense in his courtroom. But last week we did have the man of the hour from the previous trial of the century.

Speaker 3: 24:34

The trial of the previous century.

Speaker 1: 24:36

I mean, you know, if we're just counting in hundred year stretches from the present, it does overlap um. But yeah, america's favorite um, you know, beverage branded football player passed away last week.

Speaker 3: 24:56

Mr OJ.

Speaker 1: 24:57

Simpson. Hopefully he can rest in peace, knowing that the real killer is dead yes or no, piss and also yeah, no one's like.

Speaker 2: 25:12

Oh, poor oj it was so like just looking at the media narratives and I understand not wanting to beat somebody when they're down literally like in the ground, but they were so glossing over and for those you know, like millennials and whatnot, who are unfamiliar with oj, oh girl, we can't even explain it to him how, how could, oh how, this former football star fell from grace.

Speaker 2: 25:43

No, oh man oh yeah, he didn't just get caught in a bathroom with some hookers or like smoking crack like mary and barry, like that's a ball from grace. You know, he murdered two people in cold fucking blood.

Speaker 1: 25:57

Has zero remorse okay, wait, we'll just let's rewind for a second because, like, we have to give. Like if you're, if you're younger than me and carol, here we're almost 40. Uh, like at the time in 1994 where the news broke that you know former nfl football star oj simpson was fleeing police on the interstate in a low-speed chase in the middle of the fucking nba finals. Like it caught the entire world's attention. Like everybody in america was watching this shit. Like we actually don't have a I don't think there is like a counterpart to that in like today, the media cycle today, like this trial with Trump, is it? Like this is the equivalent of what it was like in 94.

Speaker 1: 26:47

Because, first of all, it was like the first NBA finals that Michael Jordan had been playing in in three years. So it was kind of I mean not that you know again, it was a huge deal when Michael Jordan was playing. But it was also like oh man, we ain't seen anything like this in a while. Hakeem about to get his ring and they cut from the finals and it's OJ and the bronco going down the street and they're like we have reports that oj simpson is in the car with mr rawlings holding a gun to his head while fleeing from police also, it's fucking hilarious. I mean it's not hilarious, but that oj got a pass for that where he had like a gun to do his head when I was running from the cops, and he ain't never getting on the gun.

Speaker 2: 27:29

Yeah, like, and wasn't he like threatening suicide, murder and all kinds of shit, like it was fucking wild trying to get to his mom's house.

Speaker 3: 27:37

It was crazy um never get charged for like kidnapping that guy or no he didn't know, he didn't face any.

Speaker 1: 27:43

That's what I'm saying. It's like it's bananas that that happened, but also, um. So you have to think about it in terms of the time Like. So OJ Simpson was one of those like first of all in the NFL, running back was a bigger deal at the time. So, like how we look at quarterbacks now, we used to look at running backs like they were.

Speaker 2: 28:00

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:01

And then OJ was one of the few NFL players to rush for 2,000 yards in a single season and like his nickname, the juice, it was warranted, right, he was like that much of a star and everybody knew who he was. He was like one of the few black people even doing commercials in the late eighties, like I know it sounds ridiculous now to think about like how, like the number of of, of people of color, of various racial backgrounds, and commercials. It wasn't like that in 1988 and this dude was running through the commercial I mean running through the airport on like the rental car commercial or whatever yeah, he was a hertz guy yeah he was fucking and he was moving in white spaces.

Speaker 2: 28:47

He was.

Speaker 1: 28:47

He was unashamedly fucking white women yeah, we'll get to that in just a second. So there was, yes, there was like there was very little.

Speaker 3: 28:55

There was like a lot of movie cameos, or at least one yeah, naked gun, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:01

So there was like there was like michael jackson, it was eddie murphy, then was like the biggest stars in the world and they happened to be black, and then there was like a whole drop off and then you got to like the the stars in the world and they happened to be black and then there was like a whole drop off and then you got to like the, the, you know four or five tiers down and it was like oj. Yeah, but oj was like one of the biggest stars at the time. So the fact, yeah, yeah, the fact that it got just like out of nowhere, this dude, this dude supposedly was fleeing from police after the murder of his wife and her boyfriend Like it was a huge fucking deal. It captivated the nation and like, again, you got to go back in time and think about like this was an inflection point for the 24-hour news cycle, for the 24 hour news cycle. Like you know how you have like 12, 14, 16 hours of news on a news channel today.

Speaker 1: 29:58

The event that was largely responsible for kicking that off was this with OJ Like, once these networks saw that there was an endless demand for news coverage, the people would sit down and watch all these hours of of news TV, they're like, oh yeah, well, we'll just give the masses what they want. Of course, this probably was going to happen eventually for some reason or another, but OJ.

Speaker 3: 30:20

Do you think the basketball teams watched the trial or they finished the game and not?

Speaker 2: 30:27

the trial, that's a good question.

Speaker 1: 30:28

Do you think they were all like oh, let's watch the TV.

Speaker 1: 30:39

I'm sure they tried to catch the news of the chase after the game, but yeah, it was wild. Also, as Ty alluded to, oj was one of the few Black people in America at the time who could just navigate white spaces and again, like this goes back to his time at USC when, like that, look a white dominated space and OJ was totally at ease with that, and then to marry a white woman, you know again at the time was it was far less common than it is in the 2020s.

Speaker 2: 31:15

So I mean that was the 80s, for God's sake, because kids were like eight, nine or something, yeah, so that was the 80s.

Speaker 1: 31:22

Yeah, this, this whole, like I guess the Kardashians are doing the reverse OJ, where they white and they go around, you know, banging all these black athletes, I guess I don't know. It's like I guess they got there from OJ, I don't know anyway, but yeah, so it's. It was fairly ironic again, like during the trial, like OJ happened to be the beneficiary of a unique set of circumstances where, like, there was a bunch of frustration with police violence. All you're quite young, you might want to look that up. That was one of those inflection points. But it's also weird because if you think about black grievance in against like these, uh, institutionally racist systems in america, like oj actually is an odd vehicle for that, because at no point in his life was oj treated like he was black.

Speaker 1: 32:37

He was one of them dudes that was treated like he was oj yeah, exactly, exactly right he's like I mean yeah, yeah I'm not black, I'm OJ and you know this was a dude that.

Speaker 1: 32:51

And now he did Well, he transcended race in a way that I wouldn't necessarily say I was like, I wouldn't call it an accomplishment to be proud of, as like the Black community, but I mean for OJ it was, you know. But another thing about the trial, like one of the things Johnny Cochran and his legal team did, was they went into his house because you know they knew they'd be coming through there for photos and videotape of you know how OJ lift and they took out all the like photos and like all of the like you know the, the decorations and they put in like photos of of OJ doing all this you know stereotypically black shit and put up like African decorations and all it was like fucking hilarious and they tried to just.

Speaker 3: 33:48

Don't put that near me, sorry. A thumbs up came up because of how I'm sitting. Okay, I don't want you to think I was like, yeah, stereotypical stuff.

Speaker 1: 33:59

Carol, no one would have known until you brought it up.

Speaker 3: 34:02

Yeah, I was talking to zoom, sorry.

Speaker 1: 34:05

It's an incredible legal strategy by by Johnny. There's a thumbs up. Legal strategy by by Johnny, there's a thumbs up. It was incredible legal strategy by Cochran's team to lean in to OJ being super black, even though nothing about OJ's life is black. It's just pretty crazy. And then so my favorite thing about the trial is probably it's not even a trial, it's a the standup routine from cause. I had seen it previously and it just you, and it just popped back up on the social medias here lately.

Speaker 1: 34:33

But DC Curry talked about how, opening statements at a trial, marshall Clark gets up there and starts laying out the evidence and DC is like well, damn, after all of that evidence, this motherfucker is guilty. We all know he did it. I don't even know why they're having a trial. And then he was like but then I, you know, I kept watching. And then smooth Johnny Cochran got up there and was like well, first of all, it's too much evidence against OJ. Ain't nobody that could have been this damn stupid Like.

Speaker 1: 35:05

And he's like oh, it's like blood all over the apartment. And he like left his hat on one of the victims and is like blood all over the apartment and he, like left his head on one of the victims and he got blood on the wall and he got blood in the Bronco, blood outside the Bronco. He's like he broke into his own house. The motherfucker ain't got no key to his own house. He lived there and he's just fucking hilarious. And then he's like by the end of Johnny Cochran's opening statements he was like had me convinced that Oj didn't do it, because nobody could be that fucking stupid. Johnny cocker so smooth. He had oj convinced that he he didn't do it. But like that is actually. It's hilarious because that is the level of evidence we have trump against trump and his multiple criminal indictments. Like it's so much fucking evidence you're like it's almost impossible to leave that someone was this fucking stupid so is he gonna get johnny cochran?

Speaker 1: 35:56

johnny cochran is no longer with us. Carol rest in peace oh, he did, die, did something, was that uh, it's been over a decade now but yeah johnny cochran is probably the only person they could get trump off, well, except for maybe in florida, where judge cannon can get trump off.

Speaker 2: 36:12

Yeah, yeah well because are they all dead? Is uh, what's his name? Uh, what's that other shapiro? Uh?

Speaker 1: 36:21

you know what? I don't know if shapiro, because I know kardashian's dead, of course I know cochran's dead.

Speaker 2: 36:27

What about marcia clark? Well, that was a prosecutor, but is she alive? You know christopher darden. I saw some stuff about him like was like a year or so ago, I don't know it was some mess uh, yeah, I I have no, but yeah but as far as the legal team was, it was what cochran, kordashian, kardashian and um, um and shapiro.

Speaker 1: 36:56

They were the three main yeah, well, don't forget about alan dershowitz, who's made a turn for the worse here yeah, I wouldn't rely on him if I were trump, no, and my guy carl douglas, he's still with us, he's fantastic, he's still doing great work for the community and as far as the legal avenues are concerned, but yeah, I just I guess my bigger point there is much like with the OJ trial and how it captivated the nation. We haven't seen anything like that until now with this Trump trial and we're only two days into it and it's fucking off the rails already and the news coverage of it is kind of I mean, it's not over the top considering the circumstances, but it's kind of absurd.

Speaker 2: 37:43

What I would say is the difference between the Trump trial and the OJ trial. At least, in the OJ trial, both sides were competent and it could have gone either way. In this instance, it's it's it's like he went to clown college to pick these attorneys and who he has speaking with them because and that's what I think also made the OJ trial so captivating because there was no. There was a time where it seemed like, oh, this dude is toast. And then it was if they don't acquit, you must acquit. And then it was like but it was a lot, it was a lot going on.

Speaker 1: 38:29

Again, you had to be from the era it was a lot going on. Again, you had to be from the era. It was so much that was poured in like projected onto that trial that didn't necessarily apply to OJ. That's part of the reason why he got off. Also, the cops like just going overboard, trying to get this dude.

Speaker 2: 38:42

Oh yeah, mark Furman, he really, he really screwed the pooch. But, still, it was nice to see people make actual arguments. Yeah, well, it makes sense oj getting off.

Speaker 1: 38:57

It was the wrong decision, but the jury came to the right conclusion based on the legal arguments that were made, because obviously we're at the point now where we're like, of course he fucking did it, uh, but I think, just as oj is kind of a weird vehicle for for black grievance at the time, trump is a weird vehicle like for white grievance in 2024, as he's nothing like the people who support him whatsoever. You know, wealthy, boom to silver spoon in his mouth, got all his money basically inherited, if not committed crimes to get it. Just, you know he's not representative of like the ideals that are placed upon him by his supporters, and you could say a similar thing about OJ in the 90s. It's just, you know, it's ironic, and also Trump fucking did it. So there, that's another thing that he has. You know what?

Speaker 3: 39:56

I just like to remember you're saying it's the trial of the century. I mean so far.

Speaker 1: 40:01

This is only the first of his many criminal trials to come well, yeah, we're going to get multiple trials of the century in the next couple of months if everything breaks the right direction, skate off, making it think he only had one big trial of the century multiple trials. Well, that's how big of a criminal he is, carol. He's got multiple trials of the century and he's like he makes oj seem like a saint.

Speaker 3: 40:23

He only killed two people. How many deaths was trump responsible for?

Speaker 1: 40:28

well, it's funny you say that, because another thing that Trump and OJ have in common is just like this unabashed shamelessness, like one of the crazy things after OJ got off, after the trial, which is again the trial is crazy because you had to think about this Like I think I was 12 at the time. Maybe I was in class when the jury reached a verdict and our teacher cut the fucking trial on in in the middle of the class, which is really incredible. Ty, are you asleep? Are you still with us?

Speaker 2: 41:02

no, I'm not asleep, I was just looking at this. Uh, this thing, that uber driver thing that got shot.

Speaker 1: 41:09

But oh yeah, it's fucking crazy. We'll talk about that. Another time and I was like oh my gosh yes heartbreaking yeah no, but so like after the jury verdict came down and oj was found not guilty, although he was clearly not innocent like yeah, well, one of the things, what the like oj was just like all right, cool, I get to go back to my life. He was like going back to the same place, like to the barbershop and a golf course, and people was looking at him like he was fucking crazy yeah, he picked.

Speaker 2: 41:41

he had to pick his ass up and move to florida. Sound familiar? Yeah, like that is. Florida is where you know they go, you running from shit, you are no longer your persona non grata. But yeah, he was not getting the love because everybody knew. You know, everybody knew After watching that trial and hearing all that evidence, even people that were fans like it was not the same.

Speaker 1: 42:10

And then him being like I'm going to find a real killer's dog.

Speaker 2: 42:13

The mirror is right there, but it's like bro, read the room, that's when you just do do a robert blake and I'm gonna write a book that isn't suspicious at all and then do weird ass and then do weird ass twitter posts.

Speaker 1: 42:29

But, yeah, like the fact that he was like all right, right, cool, it's back to business as usual. That is very much like Trump, although like the 90s was a different time, apparently, because OJ couldn't get away with that shit. Trump committed all these crimes and people just act like it's normal now.

Speaker 2: 42:44

Yeah, yeah that is so, gosh, we really have crossed the Rubicon, haven't we?

Speaker 1: 42:50

Yeah, we just normalize all of this insane behavior on Trump, like if if OJ had came, if only OJ had only killed his wife 30 years earlier, maybe he could have lived quite a normal life afterwards. He definitely would have been a Trump supporter.

Speaker 3: 43:08

Oh for sure.

Speaker 1: 43:10

Hmm.

Speaker 3: 43:11

Later.

Speaker 1: 43:13

What do you?

Speaker 3: 43:13

mean earlier.

Speaker 1: 43:15

No, I mean if only, like if oj had killed his wife after, say, the january 6th insurrection and and got off, he could have just went back to life as normal, because he would have been like that's true the trial yeah, the charges were rigged and it was a witch hunt and you're right.

Speaker 2: 43:31

That is you know what. That is such a good point D. That is exactly how it would have gone. That is exactly all during the trial they would have been. This is a hoax. This is a like. It would have been like.

Speaker 3: 43:43

That Prove that she's dead.

Speaker 2: 43:44

Prove it. It was like, yeah, like.

Speaker 3: 43:49

But also, I did it and she deserved it like yeah, right, but also I did it and she deserved it.

Speaker 1: 43:56

Yeah, like truck, apologies to you, know I know all the family of nicole brown are listening. I yeah, look I, and I hate to be insensitive and the goldmans sorry like people did die and their families well, look families um. You got. You finally got justice. The real killer is dead.