Lock Him Up

What if your unwavering loyalty comes back to haunt you? Join Carol and me as we unpack the seismic conviction of Donald Trump on all 34 criminal counts and its earth-shattering effects on the Republican Party in a crucial election year. We dive into the jury's deliberations, their need for clarifications, and the broader political fallout. With a touch of humor, we highlight the GOP's repeated missed opportunities to distance themselves from Trump, from the Russia investigation to the January 6th Capitol attack, and how their steadfast support has now landed them in a precarious position.

Ever wondered how Trump's campaign funding resembles a pyramid scheme? We explore the messy maze of Trump's political and legal maneuvers, scrutinizing Nikki Haley's premature endorsement and its impact on her political capital. The immense legal costs draining his campaign coffers are also under the microscope, as we discuss the role of billionaire funders and the broader economic ramifications. The ongoing legal battles and challenges faced by Trump's legal team, particularly Todd Blanche, add another layer to this intricate saga.

We also take a moment to commend the Manhattan DA's office for their effective prosecution and critique how the media continues to portray Trump as a viable candidate for 2024, despite his conviction. The reactions from left-leaning media figures like Katie Turr and Maggie Haberman provide an interesting subplot. Finally, we stress the urgency of mobilizing for Joe Biden to prevent Trump from regaining power and using it to avoid prison time. Don your Biden-Harris gear and channel your determination—this episode is a must-listen for anyone invested in the future of American politics.

Chapters

• 0:03 Republican Party and Trump's Conviction
• 13:04 The Trump Crime Pyramid Scheme
• 22:30 Reaction to Trump's Conviction and Future
• 36:27 Trump's Legal Troubles and Election Strategy

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:03

One, two, three, four. Hey, this is D-Night.

Speaker 2: 0:05

This is Carol.

Speaker 1: 0:07

And Ty is missing in action, but for good reason. Yeah, I know we're heartbroken. We try to put off recording the podcast as long as possible this week because we knew there'd be a verdict imminent. And here it is. And guess what, guys? Guilty, all 34 counts, every single count. We got his ass. Uh, you know, look, everyone's excited at this point.

Speaker 2: 0:34

I asked him to queue it up, but he didn't, so I was just trying to. The show must go on, you know uh, all right.

Speaker 1: 0:40

Yeah, it's unfortunate. I I didn't even fit, I wouldn't feel right playing oh fortuna without the the whole band together. Just it seems like that's an event for the entirety of the crew here.

Speaker 2: 0:51

You can't spell entirety without Ty.

Speaker 1: 0:54

I mean, you can, but you can't say it fell in tire without Ty but, yes, guilty on all 34 counts. The jury deliberated over the course of a couple of days. They asked for a couple of noteworthy pieces of information from the court. Starting with the well, they needed some information about Cohen's testimony, david Pecker's testimony. That was probably the most important part where they needed to corroborate Cohen's testimony.

Speaker 2: 1:26

They needed some other clarifications, right, and they had some parts read back to them.

Speaker 1: 1:30

Yeah, they needed some clarifications.

Speaker 2: 1:31

They're just like I can't believe they said that we need to get them to say that again, Like I need to hear that again.

Speaker 1: 1:36

They needed a little clarification on the jury instructions, basically starting from the part where you could infer that if the ground is wet and people are carrying umbrellas and such that it rained over the course of the night, you don't have to have direct evidence to infer such and you know that kind of put us on the course to expect a conviction in this case, because you know there was very little direct evidence in terms of Trump's intent. But you can infer from the testimony of the others involved, along with the checks and invoices that Trump signed off on to reimburse Cohen for the payments to Stormy Daniels. I feel like I'm doing this all wrong. Let's start, let's rewind Bigger picture here. Trump's convicted 34 criminal counts. There's there's no escaping the criminal verdict. What does this mean for the Republican Party going forward in an election year?

Speaker 2: 2:40

Well, I mean, it's really kind of you know, I have to preface everything by being like if it weren't such a shit show in reality, it would be funny, but if it weren't such a shit show in reality, it would be such a joy to see all of these guys lining up to pander to a convicted felon and they be like is he really quote-unquote guilty? What does guilty even mean? This is a miscarriage of justice and we're going to prosecute it as an abortion.

Speaker 1: 3:23

That'd be funnier if it wasn't.

Speaker 2: 3:29

Dark and sad. That is the funniest thing you've ever said. That's not true?

Speaker 1: 3:32

oh my god, that was good, I just wasn't expecting that they're gonna prosecute it as an abortion. All right, yeah, look. Um, it's unfortunate for the republican party. I mean, no one wants their candidate convicted of a crime, about stealing an election, headed into an election. It's just not the way you want to do business.

Speaker 2: 3:48

If only they could have seen this coming and picked someone else.

Speaker 1: 3:52

I mean they had an entire primary to try and work that out.

Speaker 2: 3:55

If only they'd had four years and many, many chances to offer a stern rebuke.

Speaker 1: 4:02

Theoretically, they had eight years if you count 2016 as well. And look, I guess the place to start with this is why are the? Why is the Republican Party even in this position in the first place, where they're now running a convicted felon at the top of the ticket? The problem is and they knew in 2017 with the announcement of the appointment of Robert Mueller and the Russia investigation of the Trump campaign, and that they should have gotten off the bandwagon, and that was the time to pull the trigger on getting Trump out of office. You let Mike Pence finish out the rest of the term. You know they would have lucked into COVID, and I say luck like it's in quotation marks. I'm not saying that the event of a pandemic was luck, but if you do remember, in 2020, Mike Pence was officially put in charge of managing the public side of the COVID response and he did a you know, all things considered reasonably not disastrous job of handling those press conferences until Trump got jealous, so he was only in charge with the communications, though.

Speaker 1: 5:12

Yeah, but again, he was like the spokesperson Right and he would reasonably good job in COVID.

Speaker 2: 5:17

Like Trump, COVID response in the same sentence.

Speaker 1: 5:20

Yeah, I know it's not. That's not really what I'm saying is being the public face of it. He would have been a much more manageable person and likely would have cruised the re-election in in 2020 and you know, republicans would have been looking at him as a reaganess figure. Instead, they got pot committed to trump in the russian investigation and with all the information that that revealed, because they stuck with him, they doomed themselves.

Speaker 2: 5:47

You knew a little bit. They had a little bit of dirt on them and now they just there's no undirting them from the dirt. No, yeah, there's the second funniest thing I've ever said.

Speaker 1: 6:00

I appreciate that, like he's, the Republican Party is now Bruno Mars at the blackjack table in Vegas. Right, they've they've put so much money invested, or invested so much, into this guy that they can't pull themselves away. And now they're all tilt and they don't know what to do. But even though they had an opportunity in 2020, after the attack on the Capitol on January 6th- After chance after chance.

Speaker 2: 6:26

That was early 2021.

Speaker 1: 6:29

2021, rather, you're right. They had opportunity after opportunity to get out the Trump train. Because they chose not to. Now that they're in a position where they're doomed in 2024, no matter what they do, because this effectively kills their chances of Trump winning the election.

Speaker 1: 6:49

And theoretically, you know, if I were the Illuminati operating behind the scenes of the Republican Party or whatever the organization is you want to call it the Pools and Strings, I don't know, it's just that. It's I say that tongue in cheek like. But I'm just saying if I were a power broker in the Republican Party, I would dump Trump immediately. Take your losses in 2024. Try and find the new leader of the Republican Party going forward and then you just tried him out there every day of 2024, basically trying to heal the party, bring it back together and take your chances in 2028.

Speaker 1: 7:25

But Republicans can't do that. They're stuck with Trump. They're going to support him. He's probably going to receive his sentencing in July on the 11th, I believe, and in all likelihood, given his behavior at the trial attacking the judge, attacking the judge's daughter, attacking the witnesses, attacking the jury, attacking the trial itself, multiple violations of gag orders, falling asleep, just saying obnoxious things in court, just the judge is going to be able to take all of that behavior into account in his sentencing and before the trial, so this is certainly a normal defendant.

Speaker 1: 8:03

Totally, totally normal.

Speaker 2: 8:05

Facing the maximum penalty possible, which was still only four years right.

Speaker 1: 8:09

Yeah, so the maximum penalty for each of these counts is four years.

Speaker 2: 8:18

But they run simultaneously.

Speaker 1: 8:20

Yeah, they'll run consecutively.

Speaker 2: 8:22

No.

Speaker 1: 8:22

Or rather concurrently. They won't run consecutively, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 8:24

Me too. I'm sorry that they're not going to run consecutively. No, or?

Speaker 1: 8:25

rather concurrently. They won't run consecutively.

Speaker 2: 8:26

I'm sorry, me too I'm sorry that they're not going to run concurrently. Yeah, also, but he probably only has four years left Fewer if he's in jail.

Speaker 1: 8:39

No, the judge, could, you know, order a minimum sentence of no incarceration, maybe some probation, maybe some community service. But I think in all likelihood, if you take all of Trump's behavior into account, along with the civil judgments, he's probably going to get six years, I mean six months to a year of some sort of confinement, whether that be home confinement or incarceration. I mean, I know and this is not me like being optimistic you know, a lot of people accuse me of always being in the tank for the Democrats and selling hopium and all that good stuff. Like I said previously, I didn't think you want some hopium?

Speaker 1: 9:17

You're trying to snort it up or you're trying to fire it up yo? But no, I previously said that I didn't think trump was going to see any amount of jail time, and I've changed my opinion based on new evidence of trump's behavior at the trial and the judge being sick of his shit and wanting to send a message. But the thing is, if trump is somehow sentenced to some sort of incarceration, even if it's a year of home confinement that runs through the election, should his appeals take place before then, the election's over and there are going to be a lot of largely unforeseeable consequences. But a number of foreseeable consequences, first and foremost, being obviously a lot of Republicans, no matter how much they love Trump, they're not going to want to vote for a felon, and that's going to be enough to make the difference in the 2024 election, generally speaking. But also there are going to be a number of other large, important problems created for the Republican Party outside of just depressing the Republican vote.

Speaker 1: 10:22

And for starters, we're talking about them dollar, dollar bills, yo they're running out of money right, they're already running out of money and now that you've got a convicted felon at the top of the ticket, uh, the the juice that was keeping the campaign convicted felon. Yeah, donald trump convicted felon conviction. You know he's going from the apprentice to 60 Days and Lockup and you know once Melania leaves he'll be on love after Lockup. But so one of the problems the Republican Party is going to have is egging these.

Speaker 2: 10:57

They have this voter in the theoretical swing state of Florida who is just convicted of 34 felony counts, radical swing state of Florida, who is just convicted of 34 felony counts and he might not be able to vote for himself and they're going to lose that Republican male vote, that one, the one.

Speaker 1: 11:13

I think because he's been convicted in New York, that Florida has the option of honoring New York state law and still allowing convicted felons to vote. So I mean there is that possibility. But back to the larger issue at hand the money. So the billionaire class, as much as they hate paying taxes, as much as they hate Biden's Build Back Better, as much as they hate the green energy plan, it's really tough to look at a candidate that you know is almost with certainty going to lose the election and fork over the hundreds of millions of dollars needed to run an election effectively. The other problem is they're already in the hole, so they would.

Speaker 1: 12:00

The Republican Party, and specifically Trump's campaign, already needs more money than a campaign would otherwise. There's also yet another layered issue on top of that, and it's the Trump tax right, because effectively a huge percentage of Trump's money is going towards funding his legal defense. You know, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. So you know, say you donate $500 million to the Trump campaign, a good hundred million of that minimum it's going to Trump's legal defense fund. So really you're only getting $400 million of effective campaign money, um, going to the Trump campaign. Now, beyond that, you've got the second Trump tax of well, everybody's got to get their fingers wet, right, you got to pay off the grift. So if you donate $500 million to the Trump campaign, a hundred million is going towards his legal defense. Probably got another hundred million going towards.

Speaker 2: 13:04

Don't forget all the new crimes he's doing. It's like a pyramid scheme of crime. We've I know we've talked about the crime pyramid scheme, not just the conspiracy, but the this is. This is how the real uh, the real trickle down works. He does crimes and then you have to the donation requirements trickle down to the base yes, this is republicans discovering how trickled down economics actually works through the trump campaign.

Speaker 1: 13:31

But, yes, so first of all you gotta find trump's grift. That's gonna cost you another 100 million dollars for every 500 billion dollars. So you've effectively spent 200 million dollars greasing Trump's pocket and paying for his legal defense. And then, of course, there's incompetent people running his campaign, incompetent people running his pack. He's got his own family in charge of the RNC now. So that's yet another layer of incompetence. And you've seen the way Trump organizes his legal defense. His campaign strategy is even more haphazard and ineffective.

Speaker 1: 14:08

So, for dollar for dollar, what you would get in the Biden campaign, you probably have to spend five times that just for a similar level of effectiveness in the Trump campaign.

Speaker 1: 14:21

And look, despite what you may think about your average billionaire, they're not total fucking morons. Yeah, they might be out of touch with reality. They might live in a level of just like narcissistic sociopathy that the average person can't really relate to, but they're not complete idiots. And they see the writing is on the wall and no one's going to want to fork up a massive fortune to try and get this dude over the hump when he's been convicted of 34 felonies. And then who knows, you know, even if he does somehow win the election, what the second Trump term would look like if he does win probably be utter chaos at this point, because he'd be doing anything and everything to stay out of jail and that's going to be messy and that's going to cause problems for the economy and it's just look. He wouldn't be effective at running a government anyway, but spending all this time trying to stay out of prison would just end with utter chaos and you know, hopefully no-transcript yeah, hopefully not.

Speaker 2: 15:36

I mean he's. He made it pretty clear, right, didn't he like directly solicit a billion dollar donation? We talked about this last week. Yes, he asked.

Speaker 1: 15:46

He asked the oil barons for literal billion dollars.

Speaker 2: 15:50

He was like give me a billion dollars and I'll, I'll I'll deregulate everything and you uh, yeah yeah, it'll be worth a hundred billion dollars to you guys he made the, the explicit bribe, and also the general implication that he will. Everything will be for sale, um right, and you can't buy it. You can't sell enough in the pyramid scheme, as we were discussing earlier it's the bernie madoff problem.

Speaker 2: 16:17

You always need more money, yeah, so you got to keep going back you always need more suckers and yes, you got to hit up the new more legal fees, except no one is making money from you, it's just legal fees.

Speaker 1: 16:33

Yeah, no, no return on investment, only legal fee and look, maybe part of the reason biden's economic numbers are looking so good is because trump is pumping so much money into the, the legal area of the economy. I don't know that the lawyer, the law firms are, are making off quite well at this point. But so trump's got a number of issues beyond the money and beyond the conviction as well. Now, because clearly Nikki Haley has been an issue here, siphoning off votes in the Republican primaries over the last few months here, even though she's long been out of the race. So for some reason and I don't know the nature of this decision, right, but you look at the position she was in two weeks ago, where she's costing Trump hundreds of thousands of votes in multiple states. All you have to do is just sit there and not do anything and wait for this inevitable conclusion of Trump getting a guilty verdict in this New York case, and then you waltz into the Republican convention with all the leverage all the leverage in the world Right now. Maybe you can't necessarily get the convention to bump Trump off the ticket, who knows, because they're super pocketmented at this point. But Trump's not winning the 2024 election without the anti-Trump voters that have turned to Nikki Haley to embody their resentment of what Donald Trump is, and the way you get those voters back quite possibly is including Haley on the ticket. You make her your VP.

Speaker 1: 18:14

Well, haley gave all that power away when she said a few days ago that she was endorsing Trump. We're rather going to vote for Trump, which is a tacit endorsement. I don't understand the position she was in, like with the chess moves on the board. It was set up for her to just stand pat, like that was the best possible decision for her. To just SCF you not say anything, not do anything. You have all the leverage in the world and she gave that away. I don't know, maybe there's like the Nikki Haley sex tape out there. Maybe they found a way to.

Speaker 2: 18:48

I mean we all knew she would eventually endorse him, didn't she say the same shit last?

Speaker 1: 18:52

night. We all knew she would, but we didn't know when she would, and there is a point in time where a Nikki Haley endorsement of Trump could have bought her everything. Like I said, it probably could have bought her a vice presidential spot and instead she spent that capital at the least convenient time.

Speaker 2: 19:11

Yeah, I guess I thought I assumed she would do it, not because it was like a good idea idea for her, but because, um, she damn it yeah, she was. She should have waited until the time it was most politically expedient yeah, but I was saying it's not, it's not out of political expedience, it's because like her character is just like she vacillates wildly on her beliefs and and or has none.

Speaker 2: 19:40

Yeah, I was going to say I'm not surprised, cause I'm like, oh, cause she's like a, she's totally disingenuous and insincere on all fronts and this is just like all a fucking game to all of them.

Speaker 1: 19:51

Are you implying on some level that Nikki Haley has no principles? Is?

Speaker 2: 19:55

that what you're saying?

Speaker 1: 19:56

Yes, that's, those are the words. Well, yeah, we knew that, right. I mean, this is a woman who changed her name and basically her entire heritage to kind of fit in with polite white society. You know, to some degree it worked out well for you. She worked her way all the way up to the governor of South Carolina somehow. Up to the governor of South Carolina somehow. But again, much like Trump's tactics, like going to your bag, doing the same old thing only gets you so far, and again just a poor decision on her part, poor timing. I mean, I get the decision to some degree, like we all knew she was going to do it eventually, but like just the least convenient timing for her own personal benefit, which means you have to Like when people start making decisions that seem like they're operating on perverse incentives, you really have to wonder what the machinations are behind the scenes that are motivating people to make those kinds of decisions.

Speaker 2: 20:57

But again, availing people to make those kinds of decisions but um again you know it's all like pretty short-sighted self-interest usually yeah, but I mean, we have no idea how fucked they are. That's kind of my idea, like depending on how fucked they generally think they are. They're a little they're. They're the most short-sighted and and and Haley is a little less. She seems a little less fucked in terms of like dirt other people have on her than the others. So she's like a little less desperate and short-sighted, she has a little bit longer game but, as you said, she's not like particularly politically savvy.

Speaker 1: 21:36

She is in some ways, in other ways not so much. She's not not a total, she's not a maga moron, right? So, uh, apart from that, um, kudos to alvin bragg, did your job, sir. We got a lot of receipts out there on the internet of people shitting all over you when you brought these charges, saying it was a horrible idea and like how dare you and it's a shame that these charges are being brought, and then how dare this go to trial first, like it's a travesty to our democracy. And, as it turns out, um you the boss, sir, um, your trial, uh, was absolutely riveting from beginning to end, and you really set the stakes, laying out the narrative of the election interference in 2016, and the jury saw that as rather important as well. And now we've got our first, and likely only, conviction of Donald Trump in 2024. So kudos to you. F all the haters. As you're all aware, if you're listening to this podcast, I was a proponent of I think I said this immediately like our first couple of episodes.

Speaker 2: 22:40

Like this would be the most likely to get him.

Speaker 1: 22:43

No, not that, but I was a fan, I was a proponent of the idea of Trump's committed so many crimes. Charge him with literally any one of them, any one of them, and he'll be convicted for a number of reasons, but largely because he's a sociopath, can't control his own behavior, and then his lawyers are totally incompetent and I'm not saying in this case his lawyer, largely Todd Blanche did most of the trial work here. I'm not saying that Todd Blanche is incompetent per se, but I don't think he was in a position.

Speaker 2: 23:15

I think, more impotent in this position, definitely. No, it's not like a dig at him, but like what could you do with that case?

Speaker 1: 23:23

I think there were some decisions that were made that weren't to the benefit of the ultimate verdict that had maybe, you know, they taking different tacks. They likely could have gotten a hung jury, but I mean, that's a debate for another day, since we don't have time to delve into that. But part of the problem is, you know, Trump demands him he demands this.

Speaker 2: 23:47

They had a cooperative client.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Yeah, I mean, part of the problem is also the client right.

Speaker 2: 23:52

So they can't coach him. He won't listen.

Speaker 1: 23:55

And then he makes determinations about the trial strategy that maybe a more effective lawyer wouldn't do. And then he makes determinations about the trial strategy that maybe a more effective lawyer wouldn't do. And then you know when you're going up against effective team of prosecutors and you get painted into a quarter, a corner, rather there's. There's really not any recourse. But, yes, kudos to the legal team. Thank you, alvin Bragg. Thank you Manhattan DA's office. You did fantastic work. On to the news punditry here. A lot of people's mad and I'm not talking about Republicans, I'm talking about what you would typically consider more left-leaning outlets and left-leaning journalists and left-leaning punditry. They are salty and you know I want sugar-coated here.

Speaker 2: 24:43

How salty were they?

Speaker 1: 24:46

Well, I won't sugar-coat it here. You had, like, katie Turr practically crying on air. Yeah, you know it's unfortunate, we all know, not largely thanks to Michael Cohen, but thanks to Michael Cohen confirming it for us. You know, katie turns in the bag for Trump and she was heartbroken about this conviction and I and I get it to some degree that her career largely depended. Well, the place she is now currently in her career she could not have made it to without Trump. Right, she, she basically hit the lottery because I feel like in 2016, her career, 2015, rather, her career was practically over and no one took Trump seriously at the time and they were like, hey, this is like a dead end you know, a dead end for a journalist to be assigned to the Trump campaign, let's go ahead and give it to Katie Turr, and it just so happens this dude runs through the entire Republican Party.

Speaker 1: 25:51

Katie Turr is there the entirety of the time and it propels her to the place that she is now and that's largely a result of her coverage of the Trump campaign, which she happened to look into because no one thought highly enough of her to give her a legitimate assignment and just works out that way. Sometimes dims the brakes. She was quite pissed A number of other?

Speaker 2: 26:16

Is it a legitimate? Has it been a legitimate assignment, though? Has it? Is it a legitimate? What has it been? A legitimate assignment, though? Has it been? Has she been approaching this subject matter with the critical eye that it requires?

Speaker 1: 26:31

OK, guilty, right, Anyway, yes, but I digress. You know, maggie haberman, she's salty. You know, once the verdict came down, she she basically cut off her twitter account. I think she quote tweeted one thing in the hour since, um, you know again another person, I. I guess trump won't allow her to tweet anything about the actual verdict that he doesn't approve, so maybe that's why she's keeping quiet.

Speaker 1: 27:07

But look, a lot of your favorite MSNBC hosts and you know I don't have the names here If you follow the coverage you can see who's salty the people who are continuing to try and portray Trump as some kind of he's still appears to be some kind of viable candidate in 2024, like if you, if you're an msnbc host and you're pushing that narrative, that that's a dead giveaway. Trump's doomed, like. I know they need him, you need him for ratings guys, but it's time. It's time to get off the bandwagon, like. There's no point in diminishing your credibility by continuing to try and push him as some sort of legitimate challenge to the Biden campaign. Now, I know, over the course of the next couple of weeks, yeah, you're probably going to see some kind of bump in Trump's fundraising because you know, as per the usual, he griffs off of these major news events. But once the novelty of the conviction wears off and the small dollar donors, those funds, dry up, it's going to be pretty self-evident the Trump campaign is doomed.

Speaker 1: 28:19

Now I don't know what the polling will say, and a lot of people, a lot of punditry out there, they, they follow the polls, uh, extraordinarily closely. I typically find them to be largely useless. There's maybe a handful of polls that I might look at in terms of like, not for predictive purposes, necessarily about what will happen in 2024, november year, but more in terms of, say, you know, trump's Biden are polling at certain numbers in March, and then you check back in April, and now there's been a shift one point, two points. This way, okay, well, that's not necessarily anything super novel. You come back in May. All right, there's been another shift, it's two more points. You know Biden's closing the gap. Now it's 49-49. You're like, oh, it's even All right. Now there's been a conviction. Check back in June, all right, biden's up two points, all right, check, biden's up two points, all right. Check back in July Biden's up four points. Now you can't necessarily take that as some kind of indication that Biden's certainly going to win the election in November.

Speaker 2: 29:31

But what you can say is that Especially since correct me if I'm wrong, but two of those months you mentioned have not yet occurred.

Speaker 1: 29:37

This is theoretical, I'm just saying Okay, just checking, carol, those months you mentioned have not yet occurred.

Speaker 2: 29:39

This is theoretical. I'm just saying okay, this is carol.

Speaker 1: 29:44

I'm just saying that you can take that as evidence that real life events are having an impact on polls and you can tell what direction things are moving in, and that is how you take your approach to the campaign. As far as, like the Biden campaign is concerned, I was just giving some examples on, theoretically, how polls can be useful, because they're not predictive at all and, in fact, if you've been looking, the primary results were very strongly indicative of Biden's strength and Trump's weakness, because, say what you want about Dean Phillips, rfk Jr and the like, there were options on the ballot and if people really wanted to come out and protest, vote Biden from the left or whatever they could have done. So it's not the case. The enthusiastic voters showed up to vote for Joe Biden. You can't say the same in the Republican Party, because while Trump was wiping the floor with Nikki Haley, eventually she did show a lot of real, a lot of Trump's weaknesses, right?

Speaker 1: 30:54

You know people, what we were looking for from the news media to attack Biden for on the left actually happened in the Republican primary. So it's, it's all downhill for Trump here at this point and fingers crossed, like I'm not saying. I'm not saying get complacent, but what I am saying is, if you turn out to vote, biden's almost certainly going to win. Now, don't take that as some kind of indication that you can take off the next six months and not focus on this.

Speaker 2: 31:29

You got to know I'm going to annoy the shit out of you until I get confirmation that you voted so absolutely, and I'll make more. There'll be more like me. We're everywhere. We're everywhere Trying to get you to me. We're everywhere, we're everywhere, trying to get you to vote.

Speaker 1: 31:43

That's right, you tell them, carol. But yeah, we just wanted to revel in the moment. Shout out to all the Black Americans holding Trump accountable, because it's a lot of Caucasian Americans no offense to you, caucasians listening that are floundering. Y'all did not get the assignment. I don't. Y'all didn't understand what was supposed to be going on here.

Speaker 1: 32:09

Yeah, you know, letting trump skate in florida, basically, um, holding up progress in georgia, putting trump back on the ballot in color, whole lot of L's, but we finally got the W, at least one of the W's we were looking for, and it is a pivotal moment. Like there's no way around it. Anyone trying to minimizing, minimize it at this point is doing so out of either some form of self-interest or self-delusion. I mean, of course you've got like the right wing nut jobs. Like what are they going to say? Like you know, you work for the Biden campaign or you're a prominent Republican. You can't get out here and say this is bad for Trump. You got to say it's awesome, this criminal conviction on 34 counts. It's awesome for Trump. Congratulations, democrats. You just sealed Trump's victory in November, right? You got to spew the company line because you don't have a choice. What are you going to say we're doomed, there's no point in showing up to vote now. They don't have any options.

Speaker 1: 33:11

But you know, also kudos to Michael Cohen. Well, no, I guess largely kudos to Stormy Daniels. Ma'am, you are a champion. I guess largely kudos to Stormy Daniels. Ma'am, you are a champion. I think is one of our favorite cohorts from the Mullacy Road podcast. What's Allison's co-host name? I didn't forget. I'm so tired it's late.

Speaker 2: 33:37

Oh, no, yeah. So what happened was I?

Speaker 1: 33:40

didn't understand.

Speaker 2: 33:42

We were still going to record and Dee was waiting for me, and now I'm bringing my full attention that I can give at 1.15 am.

Speaker 1: 33:50

All right. So this is so embarrassing that I can't remember her name, even though I love her dearly.

Speaker 2: 34:01

And I also don't know the name.

Speaker 1: 34:03

Jesus Christ man, dana Goldberg. So Dana Goldberg posted on the platform formerly known as Twitter thanks, stormy Daniels, for taking one for the team, and in quotation marks it was one inch, but yes, thank you, stormy Daniels, for your fine work. You somehow found a way to make sure Trump got convicted while also getting him off. Also, kudos to you, michael Cohen, for doing your part. Your mea culpa is complete as far as I'm concerned. You've done your. You've done your duty, sir. You served your time. You turned on Trump. You served your time. You turned on Trump. You never turned back. You made sure he was held accountable in every way that you possibly could.

Speaker 1: 34:47

You cooperated with the Mueller investigation. You've cooperated with Jack Smith, I do believe, and you cooperated with the Manhattan DA's investigation. You cooperated with the New York AG's office in their investigation of Trump's financial crimes. You've, you've, you're redeemed in my book. I mean, obviously there are going to be some complaints about Michael Cohen's past behavior, and that's fine. He could always screw up in the future, but as far as I'm concerned, you know he could always screw up in the future. But as far as I'm concerned, you know he's done as much as anyone could possibly do in his position to make sure Trump is held accountable. And we got the victory, at least as far as these criminal counts are concerned, you know, with November still to be seen at this point. But before we get out of here, carol, anything you wanted to, or not even closing thoughts, yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:44

I'm just going to quote the last president of the United States here who said the real verdict will come in November yeah, they've been saying a lot of insane shit today.

Speaker 1: 36:01

No sir, this was the real verdict. I'm sorry, oh, I'm hoping that will be.

Speaker 2: 36:05

Yeah, no, we're gonna see uh if, if we're having an elections as court, I hope you'll be. You know public opinion whatever other court he needs after this second guilty yeah, if elections are a verdict, sir, the real verdict was 2020.

Speaker 1: 36:20

You already lost. Like you lost already this isn't new like you're going to continue losing anyway.

Speaker 2: 36:27

Um, I agree that this is. It's funny there's been so many nails in this coffin and he just keeps getting the fuck up.

Speaker 1: 36:35

Um, yeah, but it's like it's like weekend at bern's at this point. This is a corpse that just happens to be dancing around to insane tunes and doing hilarious stuff on camera. Yeah Well, I guess technically it's more like Weekend at Bernie's too.

Speaker 2: 36:52

Anyway, yeah, I think as long as we're vigilant, we can keep this motherfucker where he belongs, out of the White House and hopefully, you know, staying in jail. I want to have more than a couple months of him in jail before he's our president again out of jail. No, thank you, jail president. Excuse me, is he is our president, new president elect, ready for the inauguration? No, I'm sorry, we're still filing his discharge papers.

Speaker 1: 37:23

Well, as far as trump's chances of going to jail, theoretically, um, if the supreme court doesn't bail him out with some kind of ruling that that gives him immunity for the crimes that he committed while he's in office, if he loses the election, he is going to prison, like it's inevitable that he's convicted in DC. I mean, and theoretically, if Judge Cannon is still on the case, if the Florida documents case goes to trial, she could find a way to take that. But if she manages to make an appealable ruling before then, she'll get appealed to the 11th Circuit. They're going to take her out of the case. Trump's going to be convicted in that trial too. Just, the problem is those trials won't happen until 2025.

Speaker 1: 38:12

And then I know we don't talk about this enough, but there are a number of other state cases out there going after the co-conspirators and the fake elected plot and the other plots to overturn the 2020 election. Theoretically, those states could also indict Trump for his role in those states as well, so he could be facing unpardonable jail time. But again, all of this hinges on Trump losing the 2024 election, trump losing the 2024 election, and that is why, regardless of how you feel about this conviction and his chances for the presidency. You still got to go show up to vote in November. You got to go to the ballot box, hit that Joe Biden button or you know however it is. You handle your elections in your local municipality, but you got to get Biden in office, otherwise dude is going to raise hell, going after his political enemies and doing whatever he can to stay out of prison. We all got to make sure that doesn't happen, and it's up to you. You know, put on your Biden 2024 t-shirt, your Biden Harris 2024 t-shirt.

Speaker 2: 39:17

Get some av, get some aviators. Yeah, Grab some ice cream and then you know, put in your burning red laser contact eyes.

Speaker 1: 39:27

Yeah, Go go all dark branded, full dark branded on them. Hit that Biden button in November of 2024. And that concludes this episode of Parley Interaction.