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The Rise Of Harris
Our episode dives deep into the digital maneuvers that have redefined Harris's campaign. Discover how the swift rebranding of Biden's Twitter account to Harris HQ and strategic use of TikTok have revolutionized her online presence. We also explore the evolving media landscape, contrasting the negative coverage Biden faced with the overwhelming positivity surrounding Harris. This chapter sheds light on the challenges the media encounters in maintaining impartiality and the fine line between constructive critique and undue negativity.
Lastly, we analyze the hurdles facing Trump's 2024 campaign and the public’s shifting perception. From his odd speeches and questionable choice of running mate to the chaotic scenes at his rallies, we discuss how these elements are impacting his support base. Reflecting on Harris's preparedness for the presidency, we highlight her key contributions within the Biden administration and her strategic efforts in international diplomacy and economic development. Join us for this comprehensive discussion on the transformative shifts in American politics and what they mean for the future.
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one, two, three, four. Hey, this is d night. This is carol, this is ty and you're listening to the pardon, the interaction podcast, where we don't have sexual relations with that furniture.
Speaker 2:It's been I have not had sex with this microphone give it some time, it's the perfect shape you guys just met.
Speaker 1:I know how you like to kick it the microphone's gonna take it worse yeah, um.
Speaker 1:No, it's been a whirlwind week, obviously. I mean every time you listen to this fucking podcast it's a whirlwind week. Something's crazy going on, some insane development in the news, but obviously, um, you know, president b Biden dropped out of the race, kamala Harris is now the presumptive nominee and the excitement for the Harris campaigns off the charts, like literally off the charts. So many people have raised so much money over the course of just a week. It's been incredible to watch. I think she's at like a quarter billion dollars in total between her campaign and the PACs. We got the black woman for Harris, who showed up day one. They didn't let 24 hours go by before they knocked it out of the park. And then everyone followed suit, from black women to white women to even the white bros out there, who just raised something like four million dollars over the course of an evening. Over the course of an evening. Pretty incredible development considering that. You know, just a month ago no one had any idea that Harris would be running for president, let alone like spearheading.
Speaker 2:Two weeks ago we were picking out our pogrom fits and like now it's like we've got hope, like, of course, always try to stay optimistic and of course we know Biden is the better candidate. But the way the media was piling on, he was getting shit on by celebrities, the donors were trying to strong arm him and I was like, are we going to get any relief? And at first, when they said he was, you know, bowing out, I wasn't sure how I felt about that, because I wasn't sure how people were going to get behind the vice president, or even if they were going to get behind him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that was our major concern about Biden dropping out Right it's. It's a hundred days before an election and typically you want your party unified and ready to go and get out here on this campaign trail and instead Biden was about to have to wage a war against his own party just to stay on the ticket, and that was an insurmountable situation. We were definitely going to lose in November if that had been the case. I mean, there's just no way. You just can't win an election as an incumbent president fighting. We'll spend more time fighting against your own party than the opposition. That just was impossible.
Speaker 4:But so Biden had to be the selfless one. He had to be the adult in the room again, as Democrats often are. Yeah, you had to hold yourself to a higher standard than others hold themselves or than you are able to hold them.
Speaker 2:And he kept saying, like when he was not sick, I'm not dropping it, I'm not dropping out. And then they would say you know, think about your legacy or whatever he has solidified his legacy because there's been just so much love. And of course, you see some of the backtracking from some of the some of the clowns who were like, oh, he should drop out, and that never mentioned Harris. And I saw some names that they were like, oh, so-and-so is going to join, you know white dudes for Harris. And then I was like, yeah, I don't think I, I don't remember what you said three weeks ago, dude when you tweeted you know, but I'm like all right, you're there, you're in it, okay, it's all good.
Speaker 1:But but we you know like the forgotten okay like the Tommy V tours and such from pod save getting going on uh Jen Psaki show and saying they don't even know if Harris should be the candidate. They've changed their tune. Obviously we've got Ted Miller who a year ago was trying to get Kamala off the ticket Just a lot of names who have. They were in support of taking Biden off the ticket, but they were also in support of Kamala Harris not being the nominee and they were proven wrong in that regard. And that just goes to show like if the party had been united behind Biden. Of course we'll never know this now, but I think he probably would have won in November. Just the power of incumbency. I know it's not quite the same as it once was, but it's something like, you know, plus seven, eight points in a presidential election, just just being the incumbent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lickman said that right now, like she's at like plus six or plus seven, but jump is only a plus. I don't see him getting any higher, cause he's got. But the moment, the Harris momentum, it has spread like wildfire and I think in a day or so um, let's latino men, for harris is doing the zoom yeah, I mean so.
Speaker 1:And alec lidman you brought him up he's got these 13 keys to winning a presidential election. We don't have to really dive too into deeply into those. Um. But baron biden had numerous advantages. Harris in in that regard doesn't have nearly so many. Uh. But again we're like a week into this thing. I can't believe they got it off the ground. We're in unprecedented territory.
Speaker 2:We've never seen anything like this, from zero to a hundred, like I was really really shocked, not because I didn't think she was capable or deserved it, but when she raised as much money, when she raised that first hundred million dollars and I'm like she's halfway there then they were like 200 million. And then then you know Trump and everybody and they're trying to, you know say oh well, we're trying to stop the 96 million from being transferred to her. I'm like y'all can keep that chunk, because I think it's Melinda Gates. She's played 52 million. The co-founder of Netfix 7 million. The whole Voto Latino pledged their entire budget of 44 million. That's on top of what she's worth.
Speaker 4:Evan told me the founder of LinkedIn was on the call and was matching donations.
Speaker 2:Oh crap, see, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 1:That's awesome Money was one of the issues I was worried about that I was worried about once Biden dropped out.
Speaker 1:But Kamala, in the campaign they have that sewed up apparently in, just like. One of the reasons it generally couldn't have been a different nominee or presumptive nominee is just transferring the money from the campaign, from Biden's campaign, to another candidate who wasn't on the ticket would have been nearly impossible. Yeah, of course it can go to a super PAC, but you know the way the super PAC spending typically works out, because they don't get like a discount on ads, the way the candidate's campaign does that money, you get like half the dollar value spending it on ads and such. But apart from the money back to uniting the party, like again, I don't think it could have been any other candidate because if it wasn't harris black, people were going to revolt and you know that would have been the end of the 2024 election, that it would have been yeah, I think so because I mean, I think for a lot of black people they would have been like yeah, it's gonna be worse for you, it's always been bad for us, so fuck it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean like fuck it we would have been.
Speaker 4:I've heard a lot of. I mean, I've heard a lot of that you know so that's, that's it yeah, apparently some people have the attitude of things can't get worse and like they're, like I'll show you for not caring before by making it worse for myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were going to stock up on our Second Amendment. If they skipped over, harris that would have been our game plan for the second Trump administration. Also, you know, again, public support it's difficult to measure in terms of polling and social media engagement, but you know the Harris campaign they've got. They took the the Biden HQ Twitter account, flipped it to the Harris HQ and I think which I love that account yeah. They're going ahead.
Speaker 4:It hit the ground running, but they already had the following. I mean it was they started off in the perfect position.
Speaker 1:It was great, yeah, yeah Well they had a few hundred thousand Twitter followers and I think as of now, they're close to one and a half million. So if that's a metric for public support like it's, it's definitely showing some favor in terms of.
Speaker 2:And, of course, elmo is doing what Elmo does and he's working overtime.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get to him.
Speaker 2:Because right now he doesn't know what the hell he's going to do, because he's the first to get deported.
Speaker 1:He suspended the white dudes for Harris account yesterday but, you know, after the public outcry, the account got reinstated. I don't even know what the violation was. It's obviously he was just mad. I mean, this is the reason why he bought the platform to help influence the election on behalf of trump. But we all knew that when it happened and, you know, despite him trying to play coy about it, I mean obviously he was a nut job. Um, also, the harris tiktok account I got off the ground. I think they're at something like two and a half million followers now.
Speaker 1:So, they've got the digital media team going on full cylinder. They're constantly on the attack Like this is one of the things. Not that I had much to criticize Biden about, but the fact that he couldn't get his campaign to spend more time on the attack was just one of the things I've personally found lacking here. It's ain't letting it happen. I don't know what kids they put in charge of this shit, but they are on the ball every single day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that is true, they really are, and and I I have to believe that there were some one-on-one conversations, like you know, and they, her comms team was getting ready. They were getting prepared because they wasted no time.
Speaker 1:No day one.
Speaker 2:you know none at all, and you know even before she formally, formally announced.
Speaker 1:And let's not make it sound as though like this was all in the plans. Like Biden didn't change his mind about staying in the race until the Saturday before he announced on Sunday that he was dropping out. So whatever conversations were had in terms of organizing the campaign around Harris, that happened like that and they got on the ball. They didn't waste any time. But also, you know, obviously one of the things that was one of the most pertinent issues Biden was having was the media coverage of himself and the campaign. Like the media just decided two years ago, seemingly out of the blue, that they weren't going to give Biden a break. They were intent on making him a one term president one way or the other, and obviously they don't have the age issue to obsess over. So now they're actually kind of having to do their jobs and report on actual news.
Speaker 2:All they can talk about is her laugh. She wants paper straws. I'm looking at the arguments they're making and well, these are the funniest shit to me because it's like the it's. It's so incredibly crazy. And did you see Neil Cavuto?
Speaker 2:shut down Foghorn Leghorn and he was like do you think calling her a ding dong is like really. He's like you really think that's it? Like you know, senator Kennedy, you know doing what he does, well, the polling shows and he's like okay, but he shut. And I was really really surprised. But other than like a few years ago, cavuto's really hasn't been in the forefront of like the Trump mania, maga mania and stuff. He's just been kind of sticking to his little area or what have you. He's not a Sean Not having it now.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so the media coverage. It turned on a dime practically. I mean all of the attacks that they had lined up for Biden. None of those apply to Harris. So what they're typically having to cover is just developments in the campaign, because those developments have been so great, there's been such groundswell of support and they're like all most of the media coverage in terms of like MSNBC and a little here on CNN, it's been largely positive. But you know that positive coverage is having a real life effect in terms of, like this, the cycle of excitement and support for Harris and then the positive coverage from the news just reinforces the excitement for Harris. It's like a. It's the opposite of the downward spiral that Biden was experiencing. And if the media continues to just simply like, cover the candidates, cover the campaign I'm not saying this election is in the bag, but like that it's no longer a hindrance is going to be one of the reasons Harris wins in November, if she does indeed pull it off.
Speaker 2:Her popularity. Now they really have to tread lightly in their coverage or trying to be negative, because they're just going to seem like haters. Now it's, it's, it's not, they don't. No one's going to say that's legitimate. They're just going to come off as haters and they're going to turn off literally everybody, yeah, and people saw what they did to Biden.
Speaker 1:Like people aren't ignorant, like they understand. You know to some degree that a lot of the way mainstream media covers the news is based on a narrative and this narrative they created for themselves and they were looking for every opportunity to dump on biden. And you know people are just not going to let them do that to kamala harris, at least not you know people who are in support of them not having it nah and at least not yet.
Speaker 4:We're still in the honeymoon period. Unless you're a leftist, super far leftist, looking for a reason to not have to vote for her, I I like the, the vp choices, I like them all.
Speaker 2:My only worry is I'm thinking in my head because you know nobody does. You know op like republicans. So you, they're going back to like when they were five years old and they hit that kid on the head, took his toy, I mean, and they will try to spin something out of that. But that's how petty they are. That's like it sounds funny and hyperbolic, but that, literally, is how petty they are.
Speaker 1:All right. So for the vice presidential pick, I think the campaign said that they'll be announcing that on Tuesday of next week. Now, typically, like, your VP pick isn't going to win you an election, but it can definitely be something that kills your election. I think we talked about this and we have numerous instances of that you don't always notice a good one, but you always notice a bad one. Absolutely. You always notice a bad one. Sarah Palin comes to mind again. You know not that she was probably the worst possible presidential?
Speaker 4:She's the poster girl for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she is.
Speaker 4:But she's only supplanted. She only is poster girl over JD Vance because she's pretty, or at least you know that was part of the thing at the time she was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was quite possibly.
Speaker 2:From the inside out.
Speaker 1:So she was quite possibly the worst candidate ever until JD Vance. But you can also go back to. She was pretty. You can also go back to 2000 with Lieberman being on the ticket. Now I'm not necessarily saying it was just boring.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but look a lot of people out there, Isn't he one of those? Second?
Speaker 1:family guys, and there's also the anti-Semitism. That was probably a slight hindrance to Gore, you know, because people, just a lot of people, weren't excited about the possibility of having a Jewish vice president. I mean, hopefully we've outgrown that Hell. Kamala Harris is married to a Jewish man, so we've come a long way in 20 years. But and I'm not saying Sarah Palin here was Well, john McCain wasn't necessarily destined to lose that election, but the second he picked Palin, that effort was doomed and all you need to learn from that in terms of the Harris campaign is just don't pick a loser, don't pick a dud.
Speaker 1:Make sure you obviously so. The. The vetting process for vice presidential candidate probably takes usually six months or so. We've got like a week and a half. So the most important thing they can do is just make sure they pick someone with no skeletons in the closet and then like apart from that, pick somebody that will win you a swing state. You're not going to find a Joe Biden somewhere that could possibly go on to be president one day. That's not what this pick is about.
Speaker 4:In this short time frame, you just got to pick someone that can get you a swing state here there, possibly win the blue wall oh, is it a high enough bar if we just say, like they don't have an evil plan, that they keep reciting out loud publicly, like maybe that's you're talking about skeletons in the closet? Like it is, is a document labeled evil plan.
Speaker 1:I don't know swana yeah, well, that's an issue for the Trump campaign.
Speaker 4:I found it in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think they're going to make that mistake. The thing is, if you pick somebody with even one scandal and the media can hone in on that, they'll Hillary Clinton that person to death and that's a possible pitfall. Just got to look out for that pitfall. Just gotta look out for that. Um, also, again, we talked about the campaign needing to start off on the attack, because if you let the media define the race and define the candidate, as opposed to the candidates themselves defining the race, that can be nearly impossible to dig them themselves out of. And you've seen that here with jd vance. I mean, he's been labeled a weirdo out of the gate. That's the death knell.
Speaker 1:So I talked about this on Tony Michael's podcast like a couple of weeks ago. I must be clairvoyant. It was a super pressing conversation where we were talking about, you know, what the Trump campaign will look like going forward, and I was. You know. The thing I brought up is it's not so much that Trump wants to be a dictator as bad as that is and in democracy but you know a lot of people look at that in terms of oh, you know, he's just a strong man to try and play it down. You know what? You can't play down being a fucking creepy weirdo. It's the death knell.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you dudes listening out there have ever like tried to. You know you ever tried to go out and meet a girl. You know what the end of that conversation is the second she thinks you're a weirdo. It's over, you ain't got no shot.
Speaker 2:That is true. And she is texting her friend Like, yeah, get me out of here If I don't call you in five minutes, call the police. Like that's the vibe.
Speaker 1:She got to cover her drink. When you come around, or like she can't go nowhere with you without her friends, or you know you'll never get to come over her place and this is just like dating at this. I mean, you know it's not just like dating, but, uh, winning over public sentiment in in this regard is like dating in terms of people have to appreciate you for what you bring to the table instead of being repulsed by you for being a weirdo and that's the death now. And you know, trump picked the most weird, strange dude he could possibly find, and we'll get to more on that in just a bit.
Speaker 4:Um also someone to make me look charismatic and tall right, that's what he did.
Speaker 1:He picked a lamer, weirder version of himself, super MAGA kind of man's, just weirdo. Another thing I know people are typically concerned about the war in Gaza and how that was going to affect Biden, given that you know these massive disinformation campaigns calling him genocide Joe and whatnot were likely to suppress some votes in some swing states. But it doesn't appear that that's sticking to Harris. Also, as wonderful as the economy is doing I mean we're just in the biggest boom in modern history thanks to Biden's administration. People do have concerns about inflation and the price of their groceries and such going up, even though that was largely due to corporate greed.
Speaker 4:Those issues also don't seem and weren't there like we forgot about all the deliberate steps that were taken to keep goods from flowing into the country when we needed them, Like the blockades at the border where all those goods were.
Speaker 2:You know the were oh, when, when uh grocery sat and brought it in the in the trucks?
Speaker 1:yep, so they could blame democrats for it yeah, um, well, those issues don't seem to be sticking to supply chain yeah, those issues don't seem to be sticking to harris either.
Speaker 2:Um so, even though they're trying to do the border czar thing.
Speaker 1:they're trying to Well, that's crazy because you know immigration is down. Like if you want to attack her on that font, you'll just take credit for doing a good job. Yeah, these issues that Republicans had planned on attacking Biden on, they're not sticking to Harris, so that just eliminates numerous obstacles for the Democratic Party. Like overnight, like that.
Speaker 2:All they have now is just to, you know, suppress the vote. They're going full steam ahead with at this point and deciding that they're just not going to deserve it. And decided that they're just not going to deserve like that's all that they have left, literally, because everything they keep trying to throw out it it lasts for half a day, the news cycle, and then they try well, let's, let's talk about her giggling and this margaret thatcher thing. I I'm like I've heard margaret thatcher's name more times than I have. Like I mean, the woman hasn't been like pm in 30 something years. Like, but they're trying. It's like you never heard margaret thatcher giggle.
Speaker 1:It's like well, you've never heard trump giggle either, but that's because he's right motherfuckers and saying he's been in the public spotlight better leader no, he's been in the public spotlight for british and they do things.
Speaker 2:You know she was a baroness, so he's never laughed.
Speaker 4:No one's ever heard him laugh fair enough, I've never heard him laugh.
Speaker 1:I guess they broiled the laugh right that musical margaret thatcher never laughed. Trump hasn't he's been in the public spotlight for two decades now. You've never seen him on tape anywhere laughing ever, not once.
Speaker 2:Like genuinely laughing.
Speaker 1:Unless it was probably at someone. No, he's never laughed.
Speaker 4:I've never heard him even fake laughing. I can't imagine what his laugh sounds like, so I don't think I've ever heard it.
Speaker 1:He's never done it. He does say things to other people in order to get them to laugh, but he's never laughed. It's never happened. I've never seen it. I've seen, you know, probably thousands of hours of this dude at this point, unfortunately never, never one single laugh.
Speaker 2:It's bananas, Um, but Do you have any brain cells left? I couldn't, even I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 1:I couldn't even. But so back to the Trump campaign and you know his chances for winning. It seems as though he's about to be headed toward a difficult struggle because Republicans spent all that time making sure that age was the issue in the 2024 election shoe in the 2024 election. And now he's the old man at the club and it appears as though, like I don't even think, the media knows how to handle the situation they're in with, how they cover his age and his mental acuity and the possibility that he might be experiencing some cognitive decline. I mean, if you've been watching his rallies for the last four years the way that I have, you know that's absolutely a fact. But yeah, here's a clip of MSNBC being confronted with the fact that age is now an issue for the Republican Party.
Speaker 3:Her winning the presidency, this country having an adult in the White House in 2025, that's all that matters.
Speaker 5:And the age issue is off the table.
Speaker 4:For our party.
Speaker 2:What I mean.
Speaker 1:She didn't even know what to say. She was shook. She was like well damn, how are we going to talk about age now that Trump's from?
Speaker 2:She's like give me a minute. I just woke up from a nap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was also experiencing cognitive decline there, so probably time for her to wrap up her career. You know, if Biden can see the writing on the wall and decided to step down, so can Andrea Mitchell. But yeah, Trump's old and his speeches are getting wackier and wackier, which is a lot considering the nature of his speeches. They typically go off the rails all the time, especially when he you know, kind of freelances up there.
Speaker 4:Yes, when he talks about the late, my friend, the late, great Charles Manson. He's actually dead right. Yeah, he's no longer with us.
Speaker 2:You know what? I had to ask myself? That question too, I was like, because there are a lot of people I thought were dead, and David Duke comes to mind. But, you find out they're not and you're like oh, oh, he died in 2017.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no longer with us, but he does, you know, constantly fantasize about another serial killer, this one a little bit more fictional. A little bit more fictional than the guy who was eating people. Well, no, I guess Hannibal Lecter is also eating people, but we'll play a clip for you from a recent campaign rally of Trump's talking about Hannibal Lecter. Yet again, I don't know what the fucking obsession is.
Speaker 3:Coming from prisons, mental institutions, insane asylums. As you know, they go crazy. When I mention dr Hannibal Lecter you know who that was they say. Why does he keep mentioning Hannibal Lecter? Well, you see, he was a slightly troubled patient in an insane asylum and he'd love to have you for dinner. You, right, right there, he'd love to have you for dinner. But I mention him because we have people like that coming into our country.
Speaker 1:They're closing their insane asylums all over the world, yeah.
Speaker 2:In all fairness, hannibal Lecter was a diabolical genius. He was a doctor, he was educated, he was world-traveled.
Speaker 4:Psychologist. Yes, yes, he was good with the ladies.
Speaker 1:Uh, a great chef well you know, I'm sure women love a man that'll eat them properly, but not in hannibal lecter fashion and he didn't, didn't clarice, kind of have a thing for him and like a fear love relationship. It was a weird sexual chemistry going on between her and a psychopath.
Speaker 4:And he wasn't killing her yet. Well, I guess he was in prison Anyway.
Speaker 1:He would have. But yeah, so we might have talked about this, but it's apparent that Trump believes that, because immigrants are coming here seeking asylum, that he doesn't actually know that there are multiple definitions of asylum. So he thinks they've been released from insane asylums in their countries of origin and they're being freed to come here. But not knowing that like asylum is just basically seeking, you know, a refugee status.
Speaker 2:You know what? I didn't even put that part together, I just thought but asylum, oh so yes, that makes so much more sense Now you've been talking about Hannibal Lecter and asylums for like two years now and apparently no one told him.
Speaker 4:know, read the fucking dictionary if he can, if he could even read they are seeking asylum, not not being released out of the asylum I see I thought that he was suggesting that all the crazy people were coming here because they're seeking asylum.
Speaker 1:yes, that's yeah. If anyone needs to be put in asylum, it's Trump. At this point Also, there's just a funny instance of of how Republicans are faring at this point. They had a difficult issue at the Trump rally last week where they showed up and they part and I believe they were told they couldn't park parking lot. They chose to anyway, and after the rally, they came back in their cars.
Speaker 5:Some of the people here even gave money to the people inside Now to get their cars back. They've got to pay hundreds of dollars to the towing company. I called Gotcha Towing, the group responsible for pulling the cars out of the lot.
Speaker 5:They told me over the phone there was a sign warning people illegally parked cars would be removed. They also said the manager of the Duncan contacted them asking them to pull the vehicles off their property. They told me the only way people could get their cars tonight was to pay the $380 towing fee, then abruptly hung up.
Speaker 5:But something very fishy is going on, because I've never seen this happen before Josh Moer says he went to confront the Duncan manager and claims they locked the doors on him and refused to come out and all of our cars are gone, the whole parking lot, everybody's and then they locked the door. They won't answer the calls and they won't even answer at the window.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, because you're a bunch of, you're a mob, an angry mob coming in.
Speaker 1:Hey, you know how fucked up you gotta feel to show up for a Klan rally and you come back and your car ain't there, like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:and that's almost $400 per person. Boy, they made a grip that day yeah, they made a killing. But the thing is it's. But they probably might not have always had it. But with the rally going like, hey, don't fill up our parking lots, it's private property, you will be told. If you park here, park elsewhere. But the way they made it seem like they were owed an explanation, bro, well they, they claimed they, they, they claimed that they were told they could park there even that clip.
Speaker 4:They said that some of the employees at dunkin donuts took money from them and I got gat sorry it happens, why didn't they just park at the stadium? Or the empty fields. Where was this?
Speaker 2:usually it's like a field I don't know why they didn't park it's really muddy, you don't have to pay it was near the coliseum and and my friend david he was like my wife and I were trying to figure out where he was. Like everybody knows, you can't park at donuts, no that was crazy, everybody knows I can donuts like that's not a thing.
Speaker 4:No well, why would they think that dunkin donuts would be fine, with their entire parking lot being monopolized by non-customers and just?
Speaker 2:giving your money to random employees. Did you think that they were valet parkers and they were going to stand out there during the whole rally and watch your car?
Speaker 1:you know what this was a case of, and I I talk about this with other black people. It's white entitlement.
Speaker 2:They just yes, they're entitled to everything.
Speaker 4:That's exactly what I said, exactly because okay, you say that, but on the other hand, where the fuck is my car if?
Speaker 2:I had showed up on one of their own properties.
Speaker 1:I said white entitlement would have been shot, not white car entitlement yeah no, it's just funny because so there's this lady that works at this high rise apartments at the desk and like, so they keep the front door locked. She's got to, like, hit the button, open the door. And they get a lot of food service deliveries and whatnot, and one of the common themes is you know, so maybe a black person will show up and they'll pull on the door and they'll see it's locked and they'll just stand there and wait until the lady opens the door. And then you have, like, a white person show up, uh, pull on the door, see it's locked, and they'll just keep pulling on the fucking door because it is just like a.
Speaker 1:It's a microcosm of you know too many white people in the world believing that every door should just literally open up for them, literally should be unlocked yeah, yeah, and this is the same thing with parking in the dunkin donuts parking lot and wondering why your car disappeared, even though you probably should have known you can't park on private property for an event like that. They closed down the whole city for homecoming.
Speaker 2:So there's limited parking. So you'll see people put signs in there on their yard and they're like parking, like they're letting you know you can park here If.
Speaker 3:I don't see a sign.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to park there and assume that they're going to just be okay because the neighbor's okay, you know what I mean, right, but they'll, you know they'll be out there and they'll have their sign. But they may only have spot for like two or three cars in their driveway or whatever in their yard and they'll charge like 40 bucks. But you know they're only getting three cars. Eat two, you know, but yeah, but if I don't see a sign, it's like OK, I'm just keep driving around the street, or if everything is like full, but they let you know because it's private property.
Speaker 1:Period For sure. So, in terms of how Republican voters are taking this, you know newly excited Democratic Party and our brand new candidate, kamala Harris. I think they held a panel with a few of Trump supporters, who happen to be white women.
Speaker 2:And they were sharing Wisconsin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were sharing their thoughts. They didn't seem too particularly pleased about the idea of having Trump's opposition be Kamala Harris. Wait, where's that video? So what do I do with it?
Speaker 2:Well, you know what? And I don't think it's because Kamala's black is because they know he's going to lose to her, Because when Tim Scott was running they weren't concerned.
Speaker 1:No, but they have concerns and you'll get to hear them here.
Speaker 5:Do you think that having Vice President Kamala Harris as the nominee dramatically changes Donald Trump's odds of winning?
Speaker 2:I'm worried about it.
Speaker 3:I think she's going to go for the minority and female and young, younger voters Progressive.
Speaker 2:Everybody's excited about her and that scares me Again. Those are Trump voters. Joe Biden won.
Speaker 1:You should be scared, lady. The black woman is coming, she's doing it up, the black woman is coming, she's doing it up.
Speaker 2:They went to the most stereotypical looking people who we think of. I guess that was all. There was no variety amongst any of them, even in size.
Speaker 4:They should have all looked around and been insulted honestly.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:And I felt like I don't know if they were really trolling them to like pitting, just like, because, you know, when people think about MAGA, that's what comes to their minds.
Speaker 1:And so and I go, man, yes those women that were in that video they look like. Whatever you believe, your stereotypical MAGA supporter.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Looks like.
Speaker 2:Yes, like whenever they stop a black guy on the street after a crime or robbery or something, it's always the black guy that fits the stereotype of what they think an inner city black guy looks and talks like.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, well, those women fit the description of trump supporters. Um, now, obviously, you know I don't know if every white female trump supporter shares that same sentiment, but if that could be a microcosm. And clearly they are worried about the possibility of harris being able to take down trump, and they and they should be like, let's be clear on this Trump's a fucking loser. He lost in 2020 by a gazillion votes. He really lost in 2016 by almost 3 million votes. He just happened to win because the deck is stacked in terms of the electoral college for a bunch of small white states.
Speaker 4:And I know a lot of people who lived in liberal states who felt they needed to vote their conscience with Jill Stein.
Speaker 1:It's unfortunate. Jill Stein received enough votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in 2016 to flip the vote from Trump to Hillary Clinton, so we had an opportunity.
Speaker 2:She ain't pulling it on combo, no we had an opportunity in 2016.
Speaker 1:And I think one of the things that's sticking around with Democratic voters this time around, it's that we don't live in a fucking vacuum, right, we don't, like every election doesn't exist on its own. Outside of the context of all the other previous elections and because we saw what happened in 2016 and we saw like we were like this close, a lot of people have woken up since then and realized that their votes actually do matter, especially in valuable swing states, and they're not gonna they're not gonna take a chance. They're gonna show up, turn out, press that hairs button.
Speaker 2:I was listening to somebody, because you know, everyone's coming up with their I don't know how they think that she can do this. I mean, she got the lowest when she was running in her primary in 2020. And I said you know what? There's a very, very simple explanation for that the one that was four years ago, that was before January 6th, that was before Project 2025. That was before, and literally 128 days Are you poking your microphone with your hands.
Speaker 1:Tap it what she was tapping the table.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I don't know, but maybe tapping. She animated girl, she excited about this hair and shit but no, but I think that people like, as the project 2025 stuff started coming out and that people started to get really afraid, and so it's a whole different. The past four years has really been a decade or a century shit passing in where we are from then and, like I said, when she ran in 2020, biden had that momentum building that was going on and, like I said, that was let me stop you there.
Speaker 1:Biden didn't have the momentum building when her campaign was up and running, because that was in 2019.
Speaker 2:Well, after he was once, you know South Carolina and stuff, or whatever.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing, the reason why Harris had to drop out of the 2020 race. It wasn't because of public support. It's because she didn't have donors. She didn't have the money, like you know, unless you're the front runner or like one of the top two candidates.
Speaker 3:Well, that's true.
Speaker 1:The biggest determination to whether your campaign continues isn't public support, and there were 100 people in the primary. That was a thick, dim primary she had had the money to stay in, she probably would have and she probably would have. Yeah, she would have been.
Speaker 2:She would have been on that debate stage in Arizona, I mean in Las Vegas as far as the support goes, like the outside support of what people thought then and now is I don't think in 2020 they really felt the threat. And then I said there's so many things that have happened between the election. We have the big lie, we had January 6th, we had finding out all of these things about Trump, we had the indictments, we had this and then you know, the support and the enthusiasm for Biden waning.
Speaker 2:I think it really shook people out of their kind of la-la land or whatever it is that they were in.
Speaker 1:Well, I was just saying in 2020, she didn't even have the opportunity really to take the national stage during debates and such, just because of money issues and that ending her campaign prematurely. But you know, she was my preferred candidate of choice, like at the top of the list. I had a couple of other people in front of biden first, just in terms of you know, like a lot of people, I was ready for the next generation of Democratic politicians, a younger generation, to lead us into the future. But with the outbreak of the COVID pandemic, I immediately flipped that and Biden became my preferred candidate because I knew we were headed towards a disaster and it was going to take a monumental effort to clean up the fucking mess left behind by the Trump administration. I was 100 percent correct on that.
Speaker 1:And then, obviously, after that, when Biden wrapped up the nomination, he said he was going to pick a black woman for his VP. And obviously you know me and him must have been on the same page because you know, before him my preferred candidate was Harris and he looked at her and said this woman's going to have what it takes. And it appears, four years later, he's been proven correct. Now, again, the election isn't over.
Speaker 2:I thought it was smart because you know, I know a lot of people were kind of rooting for Stacey Abrams to be the choice, but I thought that Harris was. I thought she was a good choice. I didn't know a whole lot about her. I know that there were a lot of things you know being said about, oh, when she was a prostitute she did this, she locked up black you know on a bunch of things and I had to do some real like research into her and the more that I learned about her and then I really did like her and obviously from running in California, you know she had extraordinarily extraordinary, extraordinary familiarity.
Speaker 1:That was a fucking tongue twister there. But like the tech industry, so you know you can see her contributions in the Biden administration with, with the sanctions against the Chinese tech companies, that kind of forced American investors in companies to come rushing back to the United States. I'm sure her hands were all over that and you know, just in thinking in terms of what she was doing as the top prosecutor in California over the course of her career and how that translates to what makes her an effective candidate, it put her at the top of the list for me. And look, clearly Biden saw the same thing in her and maybe she wasn't ready to knock it out in the presidential campaign in 2020. But, like you said, that's been four years ago. She's got a lot more experience, the landscape's changed and now she's ready for the job and she's proven it here in just the course of a week that she's up to the task.
Speaker 2:Well she's. She's shown the rest of the country in the last week, where we've known for the past few years because she's been on it. They're like where's Kamala Right now? She's over in Europe meeting with this person. Right now she's in Central America working on their economic development to stop the flow of immigrants here, you know, fleeing violence and not saying we don't want migrants here, but the reasons that they were leaving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, biden gave her an insane mandate as far as her role as VP. Obviously some insurmountable obstacles, but the point isn't necessarily to be able to solve those obstacles as vice president. It's to get the experience to know how you would shape legislation and an administration in the future. And obviously, look, you're listening to us. When Biden picked her as VP in 2020, we all knew what the deal was. 2028, we had it marked on a calendar. It's going to be the Harris administration and just this you know, unforeseeable set of circumstances that led to Biden dropping out. It didn't change anything for a lot of us, it just moved the clock up right we just you know we took our 28 2028 plan and we're putting it into action for 2024.
