Pardon The Insurrection
Where we discuss the ongoing Congressional and criminal investigations of the January 6 coup orchestrated by the former President. And because insurrection wasn't enough, we'll also cover the Department of Justice espionage investigation, investigations relating to other members of Congress, and more. Don't worry, we're not handing out any pardons.
Pardon The Insurrection
Democracy Dies In Darkness And The Media Is Cutting Of The Lights
What if a single rally could redefine political engagement in America? Kamala Harris's recent massive gathering at the Ellipse, drawing an incredible 75,000 supporters, might just have done that. We're talking about a powerful display of unity and optimism that starkly contrasts with the turmoil of past events at the same venue. This episode unpacks the significance of such a turnout and Harris's vision for a united future, while also contemplating the role of media in shaping voter perceptions and their involvement in politics.
Next up, we're tackling the thorny issue of political statements in sports. When NFL player Nick Bosa sported a Trump 2024 hat during a post-game interview, reactions were nothing short of explosive. We're diving into the double standards that athletes face when expressing political views, comparing the fallout of Bosa’s move to Colin Kaepernick's iconic protest. We also question the unchecked influence of sports team owners' political leanings, and how these might subtly sway fans' loyalties and perceptions. Join us for a lively discussion on the awkward intersection where touchdowns meet political turfs.
Finally, we shift the spotlight to Stephen A. Smith, the charismatic ESPN personality whose political entanglements are as intriguing as his sports commentary. We're digging into Stephen's journey from journalist to a media figure, examining his engagements with Republican politics and appearances on Fox News. How do these moves impact his credibility and influence, particularly within the Black community? As we explore these themes, we also raise critical questions about media control in today's world and its implications for democracy. Tune in for insightful stories and reflections on navigating the complex web of media, politics, and sports.
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one, two, three, four kamala harris held a massive rally at the ellipse today. Outside of the capital, just, I've never seen anything like it I think, it was something like so they had planned for, I think, 25 to 30 000, wasn't it like 30 000 or more?
Speaker 3:yeah, so they. They expected 25 to 30,000 people.
Speaker 2:Wasn't it like 30,000 or more? Yeah, so they expected 25 to 30,000. They had to bump up the permit to allow more than 50,000. And I think like 75,000 people showed up.
Speaker 1:Oh Jesus yeah.
Speaker 3:Love it, I love it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely bananas. Just a massive amount of people that showed up. It just is out of control. But here's a clip I love it From her speech at the Ellipse Look, we know who Donald Trump is.
Speaker 4:He is the person who stood at this very spot nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to the United States Capitol to overturn the will of the people in a free and fair election god, look at all those people, god.
Speaker 2:It brings tears to my eyes the amount of people who showed up for their things out of control. Control, it's bananas.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, fucking legendary Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And, most importantly, even with 75,000 plus hair supporters showing up at the Ellipse, not a single one of them attacked the Capitol. It's amazing.
Speaker 3:They didn't piss on the walls and swear shit on them. God, is she even ellipsing right?
Speaker 2:didn't even fight with a single capital police officer didn't try to hang, didn't try and hang their own vice president.
Speaker 3:Wait, wait, wait there was no gallows. What the fuck was she doing?
Speaker 5:those were just a joke. You guys have no sense of humor.
Speaker 3:If there's not a gallows, if you're not trying to hang.
Speaker 2:Josh Hawley didn't have to run through a single hallway.
Speaker 3:Ted Cruz wasn't in a supply closet. What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2:Her speech at the.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's it. I'm not voting for her.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I know, not even willing to overthrow the government.
Speaker 2:Like, what kind of vice president is this? But no, her speech at the Ellipse was was pretty good though I have not watched it in its entirety, I've only seen some clips but she's really highlighting the fact that she's going to be a president for every single American, whether they vote for her or not, that the past decade, thanks to Trump, has been extraordinarily divisive, vote for her or not. That the past decade, thanks to trump, has been extraordinarily divisive, but it's time for us to pass it towards to a new generation of political leaders who are trying to bring the country together and do good things for every american and not create divisiveness and strife and chaos. I mean she, she was. She crushed it, pat herself on the back.
Speaker 3:It was so inspiring, she was so presidential, she is so presidential and a reminder of what we can be, what we are capable of in this country and what we have acquiesced to the past fucking almost 10 years of this one man literally single-handedly breaking down everything that we have built in this society as a country, as a people, as a whole, and it's she's going to fucking win, man, you know, and my boss, my immediate supervisor, like he messaged me and he was like hey, I want to drive some people to the polls, what can I do?
Speaker 3:And so I sent him a link to uh in Charlotte, uh, the people that are assisting with driving people to the polls, etc. Um and and everything. And he's like thank you, you know, but I was like we got this.
Speaker 2:I was like we got this oh I, you know it's someone who's like extraordinarily plugged in and what's going on in politics on a day to day. Like I do worry about the fact that I'm not totally I'm not totally disconnected from like the average person or the average voter. But you know the way we experience just media, specifically through social media, like you never really know what it is. People are getting every single day, what bits and pieces and chunks of things that they're getting. So it's always that hesitation in the back of your head because you don't know how much people are actually consuming about what's going on, because if people were consuming everything, it'd be a five alarm fire. The country would be losing its mind because they'd realize that is true.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. Yeah, we're on the precipice of, you know, Nazi Germany, the fourth Reich being brought to America.
Speaker 2:Please stop wiggling your boobs, if you're listening to this, I think he's talking to me if you're listening to this on the audio podcast, there's your incentive to sign up for the youtube channels.
Speaker 2:Pardon the insurrection, just put that into the search bar on youtube and you can see ty wiggle her boobs, uh, but yeah, one of the things I worry about is like how much of this is actually making its way out into the public mind, into the voters minds, because, again, just the way the media is fractured and the way people's consumption of information is, it just comes from such diverse and curated, sort or sometimes limited curated sources that you just don't know necessarily if enough people are seeing everything but fingers crossed, hope for the best, I mean, and, of course, like what you do, see what people who typically aren't focused on politics see, like I have. I have no real idea, but I imagine if you were watching the NFL this weekend, you probably saw something, likely saw something extraordinarily well, depending on what side of the aisle you are politically, you could say extraordinarily rewarding or extraordinarily frustrating, as Nick Bosa, a player for the San Francisco 49ers, photobombed a post-game interview.
Speaker 3:And what was the whole fucking point of that?
Speaker 2:Well, to show off his Trump hat.
Speaker 1:Points in the first half. What was said during halftime? Hey, all right, nick Bosa with a message there.
Speaker 2:I know that was likely hard to see, but that was Nick Bosa pointing to the Trump 2024 on his hat. For some reason they've switched from, like the classic red and white to the Proud Boys, you know, white and gold or black and gold. For whatever reason, I don't know what that was about. Is that some kind of messaging out there to right wing people? I don't know, but that was Nick Bosa. It's a dog whistle.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Without a doubt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, that was Nick Bosa, famously supporting Trump, making his way onto the field in the middle of an interview at a photobomb the journalist. And then he was asked about it at a press conference afterwards about why he chose to make some sort of yeah, I know right.
Speaker 3:Why he?
Speaker 2:was proposing to make some sort of political statement, and here's his response what appeared to be a political statement.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to talk too much about it, but I think it's an important time now the right wing.
Speaker 3:What the fuck does that even mean?
Speaker 5:it means he's too stupid to speak on the opinion he thinks he has.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to speak on it, but I'm going to photobomb, an interview with it, but yeah, I'm not going to speak on it. Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 5:Maybe he lost a bet and he's not allowed to say.
Speaker 3:Fuck him.
Speaker 5:That's part of the bet. This is my middle finger.
Speaker 2:Nick Bosa is famously a Trump supporter. It's not fake support, he's like a real life Of everyone in the NFL. If I were to ask you, which player would you expect to be at the Capitol on January 6th? The?
Speaker 3:answer would be Nick Bosa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so a couple of things there. First of all, the fact that he's unable to just even answer the question when he was willing. So, like again, let's zoom out even further. So typically, uh, when you know players make political statements of any fashion that doesn't kind of vibe with what right wing uh talking heads like the, the typical response is shut up and dribble, or shut up and tackle, or shut up in politics out of sports.
Speaker 2:I don't want to, yeah this is my escape but then the second that, uh, you know a player comes out and supports some right-wing nonsense.
Speaker 3:They celebrate the shit and I again like the hypocrisy aside yeah exactly the hypocrisy it's not even about that, but it's the fucking hypocrisy and you are absolutely right d like it's that that is so frustrating and infuriating so they're always sticking politics into sports.
Speaker 5:All the local republican candidates around here like their signs are like protect women's sports and protect girls sports. Like okay, this is just their whole platform is being anti-trans.
Speaker 3:Like yeah, well, apart from politics as a norm well, carol, do not send your kids to school, because your son will become your daughter and your daughter will become your son that never happens so I heard it, I saw it on TV so Trump said.
Speaker 2:The hypocrisy aside, so I like, I know, so you would think that, like me being left-leaning, liberal, whatever you want to call it progressive, I don't know if I'd use that word yeah, I'm libtard.
Speaker 2:You would think that I would say I would like to keep politics out of sports when it applies to right-leaning sports figures, whether they be players or whatnot. But actually I would like more of this, and I'll tell you why. So, typically speaking, I think a lot of players have extraordinarily distasteful political beliefs, but because they know that they're not willing to come out on the record and discuss these things even as we have, it's like one of the complaints that was made about the way you know, I guess liberal leaning people approach this is they were saying like well, when the NFL had these political slogans out on the field, it was OK then. And now you're going to be upset about Nick Bosa, just point to a hat. Well, in like. The slogans in question were like end racism.
Speaker 2:So this circles back to the conversation me and Ty were having about, like the social issues that are actually not political at all, becoming politically charged, because one party in America typically leans into racism and the other party typically, you know, combats that to the degree that they can. But that aside, like I would actually like more right wing athletes and especially say, like you know, people who work in the front offices of these organizations or who own these sports franchises, to come out and tell us what their actual politics are, because I would likely imagine that if you knew how many you know I don't know if you enjoy sports, if you're listening to this but if you knew how many you know, team owners in the NBA or the NFL or especially like baseball and soccer, are actually these weird, crazy Elon Musk level Trump supporters you'd probably start watching the games a lot less and that's likely why they don't do this.
Speaker 5:That's probably why you're not looking into it. Yeah right. Yeah, I mean what you can do they always said that sports were the opiates for the masses.
Speaker 2:Well, what you can do is you can look at the way. Wait hold on, you can look at the.
Speaker 3:Are you done?
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Look at the way you can look at the. Are you done? Yeah, all right. What you can do is look at the political donations of the people who own these franchise, and you will not be shocked nor surprised that most of them send a significant portion of their money to republicans, and specifically trump.
Speaker 2:Now also uh, I'm sure at this point like this topic is being beaten to death, but I would imagine you remember Colin Kaepernick being blackballed from the NFL for taking, well, the opposite of a stance during the national anthem. He was taking a knee and when he was asked about why he was doing so, the comments that he made were, generally speaking, saying that he was protesting. You know police brutality against minorities in America, a whole tire fire in the NFL and the media landscape about him taking a knee, and it ended up with him, once his contract expired, no longer playing in the NFL, not being signed to any other teams. Now, before he was taking a knee, he was actually sitting on the bench. He wasn't standing for the national anthem, but he was just sitting on the bench during the national anthem and no one even noticed.
Speaker 2:But someone you know I think I forget the guy's name is in the military. It did address him personally and be like hey, man, you know, not standing for the national anthem, like just sitting, sitting on the in the stands on the bench, like that? That's actually disrespectful. Here's a more respectful way to make your point. So Colin Kaepernick decided okay, well, this is being disrespectful, I'm going to be respectful to the flag and what that stands for and kneel during the national anthem.
Speaker 2:And until he was asked about it and spoke on the topic, no one actually cared that he wasn't standing for the national anthem. What they did care about was that he was making a political statement, but not just a political statement. His political statement was in the service of drawing attention to racism against black people, and that's where it exploded out of control. Now you can say what you want to about Colin Kaepernick, like the level of courage that it takes to like stand on your principles to such a point where it costs you your career in a lucrative and a lucrative yes, exactly a lucrative career.
Speaker 3:It's not like he was working for 20 an hour. Yeah you know, what I'm saying like and the endorsements that come along with being in the position that he had he was was this far away from winning the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2:Like it could all change for him Now.
Speaker 2:Like I'm sure, if you're listening to this podcast, likely you're in agreement with Colin Kaepernick's stance, but I imagine, if you don't, you might disagree with the manner in which he took the stance, what he stood for or kneeled for.
Speaker 2:But what I would say is, regardless of how you feel about it, even if you dislike him or his message, you got to respect the fact that he was brave enough to not only do the thing but stand on business when asked about it.
Speaker 2:Now, on the flip side of that, we've got Nick Bosa coming out here, basically taking the opposite stance of Colin Kaepernick not just supporting a idea or a principle, but supporting an actual political candidate that stands for the exact opposite of what Colin Kaepernick was. Well, he stands for what Colin Kaepernick was protesting and then, when asked about it at a press conference, he can't even tell you exactly what it was he was doing, what he was saying, what the message is that he was trying to get across. But again, if you're watching this podcast and you've seen everything we just previously shown you in this episode, you're like well, we know exactly what Nick Bosa stands for, and I would just say like it's extraordinary cowardice on his part to not be able to even attempt to articulate the message that he was trying to say why he, why he did what he did, and to just yeah it was, yeah, it was a pussy ass move because he's a pussy ass bitch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but one thing you will notice, I would imagine, is that, unlike Colin Kaepernick, he ain't going to get blackballed from the league, and that speaks volumes. True that so also in the realm of sports ball, I guess it's longer than a sports ball minute of the week. Also, on Saturday we had a Texas Tech kicker who scored a touchdown on a fake field goal. And well he also decided to take a political stance, which is it's quite something. Oh, this is oh it's a fake.
Speaker 1:There he goes for the corner touchdown reese burkhart.
Speaker 2:That's why they chose to take the three a little something in case you missed it after scoring that touchdown, he pulled up, he pulled up his jersey to show off his shirt where he had written in marker on it trump 2024, go maga, or something like that. Uh, you know, basically coming out as nick bosa jr. Um, now and again, like as I was saying, I don't want to be hypocritical when it's like left-leaning athletes coming out in support of calls that I stand for. And you know I'm not saying you know, shut up and kick your field goals. I just think it's extraordinarily hilarious that after he did that, he went on to miss the final field goal of the game and Texas Tech lost by one.
Speaker 2:I love that for him so you know, he was so focused on making his political statement that he forgot to do his job.
Speaker 3:He forgot to do his job.
Speaker 2:That's pretty good, because the internet the right Did he miss a goal.
Speaker 5:That was the goal he missed. No, then he sacrificed that one no, to make a joke.
Speaker 2:That was a fake. So a field goal will generally net you three points if you make it. But that was a fake field goal where they pretended like they were going to kick a field goal and then he took the ball and ran it into the end zone for a touchdown, which was a really cool, brilliant move. Got him six points yes.
Speaker 3:But his arrogance.
Speaker 2:So later in the game, how many would the?
Speaker 5:field goal have been.
Speaker 2:Three points.
Speaker 5:So he got three extra points.
Speaker 2:Yes, now, later in the game, when the game was on the line and the team was down a point, I think they might have been down more. Regardless, he had an opportunity to kick a field goal later in. The Would have been the difference in the game, because they eventually ended up losing by one point.
Speaker 5:But OK. But it wasn't his direct Actions, it wasn't being a dick that cost him the game.
Speaker 2:No, well, no, it was. I believe, yes, karma knew his job, karma got him and I don't understand football, ok, so no, no, no, no, guys.
Speaker 5:I don't understand football, okay, so no, no, no, no. You don't have to explain, no.
Speaker 4:Carol, but he had the opportunity to.
Speaker 5:I get it. Yes, I get it. He did that thing. I totally get football.
Speaker 3:Hold on.
Speaker 2:I got to plug my computer up. He did that thing and lost the game, and then I think the big takeaway from that is much like MAGA they think they're ahead and then they're likely going to end up losing by one. So, speaking of the stick to stick to sports, people not sticking to sports, you might be familiar with the fact that Stephen A Smith, notably from ESPN, has ventured into the sport or the political landscape, and he's also been making numerous appearances on Fox News this year. Well, one of these appearances it went extraordinarily awry for Sean Hannity.
Speaker 1:So, again, we might not like something on the left, we might not like something on the right. These are the two candidates that we've got to work with, and when you bring up issues in terms of character or in terms of being truthful or whatever, let me tell you something right now you can bring a whole bunch of Republicans, and I'll be cool with it. You can't bring up Trump to make a case against somebody else using those arguments. You can't do that.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 4:I'm predicting that, privately, you're going to vote for Trump.
Speaker 1:Oh then never, Never. And I told you, I'm on the record I'd have voted almost for any Republican but him. Okay.
Speaker 2:Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, I would have voted for them All right. So you know, first of all, like Stephen A Smith, like whatever you think about him, he's extraordinarily talented. And again, like you ask if he ever gets tired, I would imagine the answer is probably yeah. So like he's got to be doing coke or something.
Speaker 3:No, fuck him.
Speaker 1:No, he's got to be on TV all the time.
Speaker 2:No. So politically speaking, I do not align with Stephen A Smith on nearly anything, as you heard him even say there that other than Trump he would have voted for any other Republicans, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a dumpster fire. So, like you can like, our politics clearly don't align and this has been an issue, like with black people specifically and Stephen A Smith for quite a while here, like he showed first take when he had Well, we just don't even.
Speaker 3:Well, I used to like on first take. I used to like when him and Skip would spar. Yeah, I wanted to be a sports writer one time I would watch Mike and Mike in the morning.
Speaker 3:Then I'd watch first take, then I'd switch over to fucking the cow herd and then like literally all day and I would like blog. I had like three followers at that time but I'm like, but when he became like a permanent fixture it was too much sauce for me. It was too much sauce for me. And, yeah, I don't agree with him about anything. I do appreciate what he said, like to Hannity or et cetera, but I ain't seen this nigga say nothing motherfucking positive about black folks, about black folk in politics, about Madam Vice President.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing about Stephen A Smith in politics, about madam vice president. So here's the thing about stephen a smith. So he he began his career as a journalist, but he is much like espn was wanted to do at the time. They started hiring all of this these prominent journalists from these uh newspapers across the country, the sports writers and whatnot to give them like journalistic credibility. And then a lot of those journalists turned into tv characters and that's what specifically happened to steven a smith here cheeseburgers so a lot of those journalists turned, like uh, reporters for espn and, well, talking heads as well.
Speaker 2:They ended up becoming these like tv personalities, maybe not to the degree of stehen a smith, um, but so when stephen a smith basically went you know I'm gonna try and be the face of espn he took the formula from the show called part of the interruption interruption.
Speaker 2:That might sound familiar, given the fact that our name of our podcast is part of the insurrection. He took the formula from Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon and he flipped it and kind of turned it into what basically modern sports talk shows are now like debate TV. It did so with his partner, skip Bayless you might be familiar with him.
Speaker 5:I love Skip.
Speaker 2:Well, if you have problems with, you know, if you have problems with stephen a smith's lack of pro blackness, I can only imagine how you feel about skip.
Speaker 1:So skip bayless skip bayless.
Speaker 2:Is the sean hannity to steve stephen a smith, or was, at the time that they were doing this show, first take now, after skip left, cold pizza before that? Yeah, well, after skip left, um skip was was eventually replaced by Max Kellerman. I don't know if you know him, but he's not Just hold on. So, your personal feelings aside, so Max Kellerman was a guy who grew up covering boxing and eventually started covering other sports before working for ESPN. Eventually started covering other sports before working for ESPN. Now, one of the things about the course of that time span with Stephen A Skip and Max Kellerman and likely probably why Kellerman no longer has the job is that a lot of people in the Black community were looking at this. I love that for him and their interactions. And when you go from Skip to Max Kellerman, let's just say it's the wide it's like swinging between Kamala Harris is in Trump it's.
Speaker 2:It's that big of a divide and a lot of black people were looking at this like, hey, man, max Kellerman seems to be a lot more pro black than Stephen A Smith and I'm sure that was one of the things that was probably irritating and frustrating to Smith.
Speaker 2:I don't know that to be the truth personally, but I'm telling you it was a thing, and I say that in regards to the fact that the shut up and dribble people took a sports talk show host and plopped them right down on Fox next to these clowns and have no problem with that.
Speaker 2:But then every time there's a social issue, they want to kind of, you know, trash the left or trash left, leaning athletes for speaking up about it. And just also to say this about Stephen A Smith I don't appreciate someone of his caliber and of his stature, who does often tend to speak for the black community or at least in the sports arena, lending his credibility to a propaganda network like Fox, even if he's on there to be an antagonist from time to time. So yeah, I just I don't approve, just I mean I know Stephen A Smith don't give a shit about what I think, but just telling you that, like in regards to watching Black people do things to gain prominence, there is a line that you cross where you're lending your credibility and your Black face to something that is just extraordinarily anti-black. It's disheartening and frustrating.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:All right, before we get out of here, I'll wrap us up with my closing thoughts. So I'm sure many of you are aware of the fact that the Washington Post and LA Times, the editorial boards, they penned an endorsement for Kamala Harris but those endorsements were shelved because the owners in that regard personally intervened and made sure that the people, the editorial board, didn't have the newspaper put out an endorsement and there's a couple of issues I have with that. I don't know, actually, what the specific discourse is out here on social media, but I can tell you how I feel about it. A couple of things. One, it was a stupid move for specifically Jeff Bezos in the Washington Post to have this endorsement pulled, because the paper would have just endorsed it. In this political climate no one's really paying that much attention to newspapers. The endorsement wouldn't have been a story, it would have been a thing on Twitter for an hour.
Speaker 3:I mean it would have been passed by like blip oh Washington, it would have been they moved on. And it would have been passed by like blip oh Washington Post, it would have been blown over.
Speaker 2:Instead, what you have is a media firestorm because once it was reported that Bezos personally intervened and then apparently wasn't going to get a meeting with the Trump campaign until after he made sure, they pulled their endorsement into a frenzy about whether you can even trust the Washington Post to report accurately on any kind of issue, political or otherwise, if it's not in service of Jeff Bezos. And as big of an issue as that is, that's not even the biggest issue for me. The biggest issue for me is that we already know what Trump is about, what he plans to do with the second term if he wins, and the fact that you as a journalistic entity are being controlled by one person who has interests that could be severely hampered by a second Trump administration already obeying a dictator in advance. That screams to me the fact that if Trump does become president and tries to instill some form of autocracy in the United States and end our democracy and destroy our freedoms, that the Washington Post not only won't report accurately on these issues, but they're likely going to comply.
Speaker 3:Will there be conjugal visits in the pogrom? I'm just asking. I'm just asking questions.
Speaker 5:Well, they're probably, but it's whether or not they'll be consensual.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And then the bigger issue is not just Washington Post, but this is a symptom of a larger problem is that numerous media outlets, in the way they've covered Trump over the course of the past Well shit, nearly 10 years here, nine years here is that they've already made the decision that if Trump does try to assert a dictatorship, that they're not going to be the barrier, the, the, the bulwark that speaks truth to power. They've already made it known that they're going to concede in any way possible if it threatens them, regardless of the damage that it does they're going to be the fucking disturbers of media they've already.
Speaker 2:yeah, and much like the Washington Post, whose tagline is literally democracy dies in darkness, they're turning off that light Democracy dies or democracy is dead.
Speaker 3:That should be their tagline.
Speaker 2:Yep, the media has decided they're going to help turn off the light. And that concludes this episode of Pardon. The Insurrection.
