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Everyone Is Obeying Trump In Advance
What if local elections are the real catalyst for change? We celebrate the historic victories with El Paso electing its first black mayor, Renard Johnson, and Tulsa breaking a century-long drought with its own black mayor. These wins aren't just milestones—they're signals that the grassroots political landscape is shifting toward greater inclusivity. Amidst this celebration, we share a lighthearted moment pondering what our co-host Carol might do if Trump comes back to power.
The specter of a Trump 2.0 administration looms large as we delve into the possible ramifications of his return, especially in terms of who would fill critical roles. What happens if Christopher Wray steps down as FBI Director and Kash Patel, a controversial figure, steps into his shoes? We pull back the curtain on the potential hazards of having key positions filled with inexperienced appointees, emphasizing that a vote for Trump is a vote for the cadre he brings with him. Listen as we navigate through the complexities of national politics, from media integrity to legal battles involving defamation and public figures.
Our conversation takes a comedic turn as we dissect Trump's recent interview on MSNBC's "Meet the Press." We scrutinize his claims about the 2020 election and border security, noting his reliance on catchy slogans over substantive plans. Trump's far-fetched deportation tactics provoke laughter as he grapples with international relations in a way that echoes colonial attitudes. From border policies to birthright citizenship, we question the viability of his proposals, all while speculating on his next outlandish moves in the political arena. Join us for an episode that blends serious political analysis with a touch of humor.
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Speaker 1:El paso has its first black mayor.
Speaker 2:Congratulations uh, we couldn't get our first black president, but we got our first black mayor of El Paso. Yeah, renard.
Speaker 1:Johnson. I've known him for about 30 something years, him and his brother Shay. His brother was more my age, he was our, our age, but but yeah, it's so crazy because I, like, I've known him for a long time. Beto endorsed him and he blew out his. It went to a runoff. Even though he blew out Brian Kennedy, neither one got 50% of the vote, so it had to go to a runoff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that was yesterday.
Speaker 2:And then Brian Kennedy conceded. Good job, I mean, and I think Tulsa got their first black mayor in what like over 100 years or something like that. So you know we doing it up. Finally, it's about the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is crazy because you know, el Paso is 80 percent Latino, so that's huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's a big deal. So I'm super proud, though you know proud moment. We'll see what happens. Well, I got to tell you local elections are where it's going to be at for a minute here, because we got to ride the shit out for the next few years. That's where we're going to have to make all our moves. It's going to be locally. Yeah, that's it One two, three, four.
Speaker 2:Hey, this is D-Night, this is Ty, and Carol is on permanent hiatus as she plans to flee the country once Trump takes power. And you're listening to the call in the insurrection podcast, uh, where we're not excited that polio is back, or at least it's on its way back if, uh, you know, rfk jr gets confirmed as trump's health secretary because he wants to ban the polio vaccine. Um, you're excited about that. Congratulations, you voted for the right guy. I would imagine that.
Speaker 1:That's why people I don't think they understand You're not voting for Trump. You will be voting for everybody that will come with him. He's not going to be the same people that would that were there the first time, that at least somewhat had some credibility and at least some experience.
Speaker 2:At the offset he tried to make it look like a cabinet of you know, formidable people yeah, I mean the level of qualifications, which was already stretched to the limit in the first administration, uh, that's going to be totally obliterated. We're going to have tons and tons of inexperienced, unqualified, if not outright dangerous people taking powerful positions. But I mean, that's what you get with the Trump administration. But, yeah, if you're listening to us on on some kind of podcast ad, make sure you hit the subscribe button, turn your notifications on when you, so you can get alerts when there's a new episode. If you're watching us on YouTube, hit that subscribe button. Please help us out, help your boy out. You know, put your thoughts in the comments below for the podcast, all that good stuff.
Speaker 2:But yes, speaking of Trump's incoming administration, christopher Wray, current FBI director that was appointed by Trump during his first term, announced that he would be resigning at the end of Biden's term, setting the stage for none other than Kash Patel, trump's you know hit man at this point, who has his own personal enemy list to become FBI director. Now I know a lot of people out there saying, hey, you know there's some rules about. You know when the FBI director resigns and what that means for his replacement, and, in effect, this will mean that Trump will have to have his FBI director Senate confirmed. That's a small hurdle and like Republicans are probably going to line up behind Cash Patel, as unqualified as he is. He doesn't have anything on his resume in terms of like criminal indictments or rape accusations. Like Pete Hexeth.
Speaker 1:I think we did this all wrong. See, the more we don't want Cash Patel, the more they're going to want him and they're going to confirm him. So what we should have done with every pick was be like cool, you're trying to reverse psychology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know they're not the brightest.
Speaker 1:And reverse psychology yeah, yeah, they're not the brightest, and so they only know like one mode well, two modes on the libs, and if the libs say yes, we say no, and vice versa. So I think we should have. We're going to have to remember that next time to be like ooh Cash, I couldn't think of a better choice.
Speaker 2:That's quite funny.
Speaker 1:We're ready.
Speaker 3:Let Well, here we have a video of Senator John Cornyn talking about this. Very quickly, I had a good meeting with Kash Patel, the nominee for FBI director. We still don't know what Director Wray's plans are, but eventually I assume that Mr Patel will be confirmed as the next FBI director.
Speaker 4:Are you comfortable that he's going to?
Speaker 3:be able to stand up to Trump? Well, I think that's a fair question to ask. I mean, it's a hard job to tell the president no, but the law is the law and I would expect from him, as I would from Pam Bondi, that they would be honest and truthful with the president when it comes to those red lines.
Speaker 1:Well, look that. Look on her face right there. That's all of us right now.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 1:He just gave us the bullshit.
Speaker 2:So much for that hurdle about appointing, you know, an acting FBI director. Cash Mattel is going to get confirmed by the Senate in all likelihood. So really, in reality, what Chris W Ray did here was concede in advance. He obeyed in advance. He knew he was going to get fired, so he was like well, let me just go ahead and step out of here, not cause a ruckus, and save Trump the political damage of firing yet another FBI director, which would have been a far bigger hurdle for Trump than simply a Senate confirmation hearing for Cash Patel.
Speaker 1:I read something that Ray did. It means that, like some underperson of him or something is going to be acting and that he has to go through some additional process. I can't even remember what it was, but their perspective was that what Christopher Ray did was like kind of throw a wrench into Trump's plans that's going to delay Patel from being immediately being able to be confirmed, and there will be someone else in Wray's position, because that's the way things are written or how the protocol is or something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a process when the FBI director resigns. Before there can be Basically it'll, it would have to be an employee that replaces him. It's been working at the FBI for 90 days or so. Cash Patel doesn't have that on his resume.
Speaker 2:He's not currently employed by the FBI. So the hurdle there is OK, to avoid Trump being able to install him as acting director when they have to go through Senate confirmation, but again that's going to happen. So really, like, whoever put that spin and I'm sure, like you know, that motivation came from I'm assuming Ray's people came from I'm assuming Ray's people because you know there was an article about that where they talked to some of his staff, I would imagine, and I'm sure the staff put that message out. But really what this is is Ray rolling over. No, make Trump fire. You Make it a mess.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly, do it anyway. But what does it mean? We have to make it easy for him, absolutely, absolutely. Um, and speaking of rolling over and obeying in advance, abc settled a lawsuit, uh, involving defamation of trump, where, uh, I forgot his fucking name. Well, so one of abc's hosts said on numerous, in numerous instances that Trump was found guilty of rape, which is again so legally speaking, in technical terms. Here, trump is not a adjudicated rapist, he's an adjudicated sexual assaulter. But the term that the host Hughes basically accused Trump of outright being a rapist, trump decided to sue ABC in terms of a defamation lawsuit. That lawsuit was settled for $15 million. But one of the things ABC could have pointed to, had they deposed Trump and took it to trial, is the fact that the judge himself in that case said in common parlance, basically, that Trump is an adjudicated rapist. Uh, but yeah, george stephanopoulos basically quoted the judge and saying that, hey, this is, you know, in the way that normal people would put it trump is a rapist because, it and look.
Speaker 2:So in the case. If you don't remember, the delineating factor here was that eg and carol could not determine whether or not she was penetrated by Trump's fingers or his penis, and that is the reason why Trump was found liable for sexual assault.
Speaker 1:But I assure you, sexual abuse is not a flex Like. I was only you know, convicted of sexual abuse.
Speaker 2:You know, I only found guilty of sexual abuse. Like okay how did we get to the point we're arguing over this? I don't know that.
Speaker 1:That shit is just wild to me. And 15 million dollars, that's that's. That's not going to no library, it's a bribe. They gave it to him, they said out loud that it's for the library, but it just went in his pocket and they're hoping that he won't stick the fcc on them. But everything was on their side. So I don't, I don't really.
Speaker 2:That's the thing Right. So, in all likelihood, they would have won this case because, first of all, trump is a public figure. There are different rules that apply in terms of defamation when it comes to public figures. Also, abc is a news entity and trump would have to prove actual malice, which, apart from what we saw in that fox news suit, it's extraordinarily difficult to prove.
Speaker 1:but they were just outright spreading lies and they, yeah, and not even going now if during the deposition they felt like things weren't going to go their way after, like that's, that's something like okay yeah, then that's the time to settle after the defamation, exactly like fox settled after all that shit came out, after all the discovery tucker's text messages and emails and all that I hate trump and this, this, this and blah, blah, blah. And then they were like, okay, yeah, yeah yeah, but what this?
Speaker 2:what this was was abc attempting to pay out money to trump in order to avoid his wrath now that he's been elected president guess what?
Speaker 1:there you never the thing is with trump.
Speaker 1:You never know what it is you're going to do. Look what he's doing with cbs, and I hope cbs doesn't, cbs, not cbs, cbs doesn't cave, what With the 60 Minutes interview, and, and so I'm hoping that they stick to their guns, because ABC just lost all credibility and I mean they were never going to have credibility with MAGA, because they don't watch anything other than right-wing news but all of their viewers who rely on them, and I, like stefanopoulos, as a journalist and as a reporter, so this was, I mean, I know I wouldn't say I like him, but in terms of like, if you're, if you're comparing him to fox news, he's fair the bar is where the bar is fair enough at this point and so at least he has a note of seriousness about him, and he has, and he does a fucking snowflake, then he's going to threaten to go after you again after the settlement, where you can't trust them to not pre-screen everything that their host and their media outlet presents to the public in order to appease Trump right.
Speaker 2:It's almost as if now you can only assume that they're not going to report on anything that Trump might find offensive, because they don't want to be faced with another lawsuit.
Speaker 1:But gonna. It's gonna go beyond trump because it's going to extend the musk. It's going to extend to anyone in trump world. It's going to extend to his son-in-law getting another two billion dollars from the saudis. It's going to extend to any fuckery that any of his appointees get into in asia. Fucking tom Barrick is going to be ambassador of Turkey.
Speaker 2:I mean, this motherfucker was conspiring with the damn UAE and and writing Trump's speeches, you know, and it was indicted for being a foreign, a foreign agent yeah, and so the question you have to ask yourselves from here on out is is ABC even going to be telling us not only the truth, but everything they know? Are they going to kill stories before they come out just to avoid Trump's wrath?
Speaker 1:They're going to be sitting around eating Chick-fil-A.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say that They'll be in the middle. They'll be where CNN is. They'll be, you know, halfway between dipping their foot in the journalist and journalism, journalistic integrity, while also trying to prevent you know any kind of, you know any kind of is it keeps coming back to do not obey in advance.
Speaker 1:You've got to put as many hurdles in front of this dude as possible, because when, when you submit to him without him having to force you, what you're doing is training him with what he can get away with doing and emboldening him to do more of it, exactly, and then you're setting the stage for everybody else and you're just did a complete disservice to everybody.
Speaker 1:You know it was like when I was a kid other media and my granddaddy would say I don't care you, you know you pick up whatever you need to pick up. And you know, maybe they twice as big as you. You may may not win, but that motherfucker ain't going to win either. You know what I mean. You know what I'm saying. It's like okay, I might lose, but you're going to lose something too. Okay, it might be a tooth, it might be, we're going to figure that out but I'm not going to make it easy for you.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to make it easy for you.
Speaker 2:And then ABC. I mean, I don't know how the company necessarily feels about this, but ABC has an obligation to stand up to Trump in this regard in order to protect the entire media industry. Right, because if he can do this to ABC, who will he not feel empowered to do this against in the event of another hour reporting, something that Trump doesn't like?
Speaker 1:I mean he already failed when he tried to sue CNN. He's going to fail. Trying to sue CBS, he's going to fail. He really doesn't have a great litigious record in anything, in anything, and it's not difficult to blow his shit apart, because it's usually contrived and just ridiculous, you know?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean and, and as far as like public standing goes, they probably would have gained a larger audience taking this to court and beating trump than just paying the 15 million dollars and hoping trump goes away exactly nothing you can do in that.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's nothing we can necessarily do in that regard. But hey look, you know. So I've had a Secret Service during Trump's administration show up at my house. It didn't shut me the fuck up. Come on, abc, girl spy. But continuing along with the theme of obeying in advance, msnbc hosted Trump yet again for an interview last weekend on meet the press with, uh, kristin walker. She is, uh, I wouldn't necessarily call her a trump apologist, but she is definitely a trump sane washer.
Speaker 1:She goes out of her way largely to try and make trump seem as normal and the question she asked him, or so you like a lawyer's like leading the witness, like that's all I can think about when I'm listening to her. And then I'm thinking in my mind I'm like why the fuck are you asking that question? Like why, why are you answering that question?
Speaker 2:Yeah, of all the things they could talk about. Just generally speaking, in the last two interviews she's done a piss poor job in editorializing and asking probing questions, but she did get Trump on. She spoke about a number of topics. We have a clip for you about Trump speaking on how he won the 2020.
Speaker 5:I won on two things the border and more than immigration they like to say immigration. I break it down more to the border. But I won on the border and I went on groceries. It's a very simple word, groceries Like almost you know who uses the word. I started using the word the groceries. When you buy apples, when you buy bacon, when you buy eggs, they would double and triple the price over a short period of time and I won an election based on that. We're going to bring those prices way down.
Speaker 2:I want to pause here because and now for the record, since that interview, trump has basically said once prices go up, it's hard to get him down and he doesn't have a plan. So congratulations on everyone who voted for trump. Uh, he lied to your faces. He told you he was going to do things that he absolutely could not do, or even if he thought he could do, he has no plan when I listen to him and I listen to that every interview only thing that goes in my head was that he's just bragging in that.
Speaker 1:Not that he's gonna do shit about it, but basically saying all I had to do was use the word grocery and I won. All I had to do was say border and I won.
Speaker 2:But I mean, look at his face no, he said we won on border and we won on grocery, so basically he was like I just kept repeating those two words yes, and we won he's patting himself on the back for saying words to win an election without actually having any kind of plan or policy to do so. Speaking of grocery.
Speaker 1:I was the first one to use that word. The way he speaks is just utterly insane as well, it's like like a three year old that couldn't believe that all they had to do was like stomp their feet a little bit. It was like she gave me cake.
Speaker 2:There you go. I'm out of here and going along with that theme of absolutely having no plan whatsoever to help the American people. Trump has also asked about his health care plan, and well, you know, you can imagine the response here.
Speaker 5:And then he voted against. Nobody understands.
Speaker 4:Sir, you said during the campaign you had concepts of a plan. Do you have an actual plan at this point for healthcare?
Speaker 5:Yes, we have concepts of a plan that would be better.
Speaker 4:Still just concepts. Do you have a fully developed plan? Let me explain.
Speaker 5:We have the biggest healthcare companies looking at it. We have doctors we're always looking because Obamacare stinks, it's lousy. There are better answers. If we come up with a better answer, I would present that answer to Democrats and to everybody else and I do something about it. But until we have that, or until they can approve it, but we're not going to go through the big deal, I am the one that saved Obamacare. I will say, and I did the right thing.
Speaker 2:Actually, John McCain was the deciding vote in saying that.
Speaker 1:Which is why he hated him Right. And talked about him even after he was dead, which you know according to Meghan McCain Bill hates him because he saved the Affordable Care Act, but he's like I got the biggest healthcare companies looking at a plan for healthcare. Yeah, okay, bud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, as he said, there, he doesn't have a plan, he's just talking to people, which is, you know, talking is what he does.
Speaker 1:Well, when we have it, we'll present it.
Speaker 2:Well, he's only had eight years now.
Speaker 1:He's had eight years. Now he's had eight years he's, he still only has concepts of a plan.
Speaker 2:These things take time. D and again, you know, considering the state of the public sentiment towards health care companies, specifically health insurance companies, he might want to get on that before someone realizes that he's about to become the CEO of the United States, of the United States, but also Trump spoke on Kristen Welker's show about his plans for deportation in this specific regard on birthrights.
Speaker 4:Let me ask you about some of your other promises on this topic. You promised to end birthright citizenship on day one. Is that still your plan?
Speaker 5:Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 4:The 14th Amendment, though, says that quote all persons born in the United States are citizens. Can you get around the 14th Amendment with?
Speaker 5:an executive action. We're going to have to change. We'll maybe have to go back to the people, but we have to end it. We're the only country that has it.
Speaker 4:Through an executive action.
Speaker 5:We're the only country that has it.
Speaker 2:Actually, that's not true.
Speaker 1:America is one of you know 30 plus states 33 that have um on without any conditions 72 total. Yeah, so there are some that have um because I went through the list, right, yeah that's like okay, if you've been here for five years, or if you are here, or um, like if you're an orphan and you don't have like parents right you know, like maybe some, maybe some Ukrainian kids or some, for whatever reason or whatever you're, you get citizenship.
Speaker 1:So I mean they have different conditions, but they do have a type of birthright. Citizenship is what they consider it too. But it's like 72 total, but 33 that are pretty much like us. You're born on their soil. You're that, you're theirs, are pretty much like us. You're born on their soil.
Speaker 2:You're that, you're theirs, yeah right. So you know, for everyone who was saying Trump was only going to go after illegal quote unquote immigrants, First of all he's going after illegal immigration by trying to end a constitutional right and also in the interview, he did also specify that like he plans on deporting American citizens as well if they're related to uh, you know, undocumented immigrants and he says tps, that he's gonna the tps is wrong, even though he had more tps immigrants and petition the uh department to raise the number of the people like.
Speaker 1:He's just so full of shit.
Speaker 2:I'm just yeah, absolutely full of shit. But yes, he's planning on separating families and practically extorting American citizens into leaving the country. If so, I guess they're going to get what they're going to get. And for everyone who said that he wasn't absolutely serious about his mass deportation plans, I think we've had 20 plus Republican senators, or rather Republican governors, step up and say they're willing to use the powers of their states to help assist him, and why is he starting in Chicago?
Speaker 1:Because if Texas is, so upset, then why doesn't he start in Texas? I mean, greg Abbott is beside himself and round up immigrants in, you know, say Texas, florida, etc.
Speaker 2:So he definitely doesn't want to do anything to harm those states, so they'll start with the inner city Blue States in this regard is a way to he's basically looking for an opportunity to use the federal I'm assuming you know federal government agencies like the Department of Homeland Security, to threaten blue states. I mean, there'd be nothing worse than like, say, the idea of you know red states offering up their National Guard to assist with mass deportation and then Trump deploying those National Guard troops in blue states in order to terrorize those states. I mean, I'm sure that's something that's probably coming.
Speaker 1:That's just really all they want to do, because you know all they talk about is Chicago. So that's you know. I thought he was going to start in Springfield.
Speaker 2:I thought he was going to start in Aurora. He doesn't care about that. That was just shit. He was saying to try and win the election, just like saying groceries right, like he has no real plans. He does not care about Haitian immigrants in Springfield. That's not his concern. His concern is about terrorizing the public and going after blue states because a majority of people there do not vote for him. That's his major concern. And again, look just the prospects of actually rounding up as many people as they would like know, 10, 15, 20 million people. Uh, it's nigh impossible. And then just like the odds of him even being able to deport a million people a year. It's, it's unfathomable.
Speaker 2:Again, because you, their countries, have to accept these people and we don't have agreements with a lot of countries, but not that, but you have to detain those people.
Speaker 1:So they're like oh, it's going to cost this amount of money to deport them. Yes, but how much is it going to cost to detain them before you're able to deport them? How many planes? Where are you going to get these planes? You know what I mean. How many planes? Even a big jumbo jet has what? Three to five hundred people max.
Speaker 1:You're talking about a million people a year, and then it's impossible already you know building these little secret prisons, and then the whole reason that they're in Chicago is because Greg Abbott bust them there.
Speaker 3:And then you're in prison in Texas.
Speaker 1:So Greg Abbott spent two hundred and twenty one million dollars of Texas taxpayer money to ship these people to places like Chicago and New York and dump them there. Then Trump is going to round them up and send them back to.
Speaker 2:Texas. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, and a lot of people, even though this endeavor is certain to fail, at least in terms of the expectations that he's laid out for his supporters. Like it will be hugely damaging, for sure, but a lot of people are also going to make a significant amount of money from government contracts. Engaging in this and again, like we hate to go back to the Nazis in Germany, but I mean, this is what they found out. They tried to round up a bunch of Jewish people and deport them to other countries. They found it was nearly fucking impossible, even with the amount you know, the train system that they have in Germany and in Europe and the solution that they no pun intended. The solution that they came to was concentration camps and once you know, they had X amount of prisoners detained in these camps. The solution to that was because it's expensive to maintain this.
Speaker 1:Also, you had to make room because it was a constant flow of people that you were putting on those trains to Auschwitz and Birkenau, so you had to get rid of them someday. Yeah, what happened to them, ty.
Speaker 2:Where did they go? Where did?
Speaker 1:they go what?
Speaker 2:happened to them, the furnaces, yeah. So I mean again, like for everyone who's tired of-.
Speaker 1:Well, they's already gassing people in Alabama, so I guess different, under a different context and entirely.
Speaker 2:but yes, point taken, a point taken, so um the last no remind.
Speaker 1:remember Bahamas sent him a letter and told him to fuck off. He tried to. He said yo drop some folks off here Now. Never mind you, I'm going to drop folks off that I just spent the last year saying were rapists and murderers. Would you take him Like he's? He didn't even like these are hardworking people but they're illegal. Will you take him? He's like these are rapists and murderers?
Speaker 2:We don't want them, my God.
Speaker 1:Complexions is Haitians, ain't y'all the same, you know? And then, but look at me, is that he called Trinidad and Tobago. They also told him to no wait. I missed that it was three, it was three countries, it was Panama. They got 30 whole people in Panama they probably got a hundred people in Panama, the Bahamas and Trinidad and Tobago combined. They're so goddamn tiny. But yeah, but they all told him to kick rocks.
Speaker 1:And now he says any country that won't accept his deportation planes, he's going to sanction them and US won't do business with them.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's probably not lying about that he's sending everybody to bricks?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I look.
Speaker 2:And just the idea of him thinking like the British did once upon a time. I'm just going to drive everybody off on an island out here in the ocean. This is insane.
Speaker 1:Well then he needs to look for an island Maybe one of them islands that the fucking volcanoes made or something, and just turn it into a new Australia.
Speaker 2:Or the island he's likely most familiar with Epstein's Island.
