Trump Is Officially A Certified Felon

Chapters

• 0:19 Consequences of Trump's Presidency
• 4:25 Discussion on Presidential Consequences and Accountability
• 17:37 Political Landscape and International Comparisons"
• 30:22 Media Influence on 2024 Election Outcome
• 38:36 Impact of White Voters in Elections

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:19

One, two, three, four, please. It did not seem suitable. Over there you're listening to the pardon, this wretched podcast where jesus christ man, what the fuck are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? It's already out of control. He's trump's not even in the white house yet. Uh, the headlines are insanely bonkers. Every single day it's some new ridiculous absurdity revealed into the public about how trump is either insane or is a liar, or is a criminal or is a thief. It's out of control. I don't know how to stop it. I don't even think most of us are going to survive the next four years, if he even leaves office in the next four years. But I guess, fingers crossed, we can hope that he dies soon.

Speaker 2: 0:59

I seriously doubt in our lifetime we're going to see this corrected. It's going to be 80 years down the road and then when they go to the history book they're like what happened to america, and then they go back and you know, yeah, it's not going to be ideal?

Speaker 1: 1:15

no, and you know. So, this idea of like, how long will it take to undo the damage of a trump administration? Well, we, we had four years, one of the best, most productive presidents at least in terms of their first terms that we've ever had, and he didn't undo half the damage that Trump caused this country, and his inability to fix it fast enough is part of the reason why Trump got reelected to a second term, even though he is now currently that. And racism? Well, racism is always baked into United States, that's true.

Speaker 1: 1:49

Like that is. That has been a theme since the founding of the country. It just, I mean, I think that goes without saying. Or, you know, maybe people need a history lesson to have, like some kind of refresher course about how racism was largely the determining factor in almost every presidential election since the founding of the country. But that's neither here nor there. We don't have time to do all of that. We'll save that for 2000, nebuary, should we ever survive the incoming apocalypse.

Speaker 1: 2:21

But yeah, in case you missed it, so Trump is now officially a convicted felon. Took long enough. Judge Merchan finally sentenced Trump. Now, of course, I know everyone's disappointed. You're looking at the legal system as though it's some kind of fail-safe to protect us from criminal masterminds attempting to amass power and overthrow the United States government. That is, in fact, not what it's made for. Like, if you want to Trump held accountable criminally. The will you look. Merrick Garland, jack Smith, even Robert Mueller once upon a time told us that as long as Trump is in office, he's going to be largely held unaccountable. So you have to do your civic duty and ensure that not only you vote him out, but that you convince everyone that you know to make sure that he never ends up back in office.

Speaker 1: 3:17

And we didn't do that, and so the consequences of the job yes, the consequences of the American public not doing their jobs, as prescribed by the Constitution in casting their vote is has led us to a set of circumstances where Trump is largely getting off scot-free, aside from the fact that we can now officially call him a convicted felon without the possibility of facing any kind of lawsuit for libel or slander, depending on which medium you choose to partake in calling him a convicted felon. But we did, however, have Judge Sean in New York overseeing this case and he made a couple of comments in regard to the situation at hand. A couple of comments in regard to the situation at hand. And Jesus Christ man, like is intelligent is this person is and I understand the position he was in with the sentencing, and that I mean like his comments while also true and accurate or sound kind of fucking ridiculously tone-de.

Speaker 4: 4:25

It is the office of the president that bestows those far reaching protections to the office holder, and it was the citizenry of this nation that recently decided that you should once again receive the benefits of those protections, which include, among other things, the Supremacy Clause and presidential immunity. It is through that lens and that reality that this court must determine a lawful sentence. After careful analysis and obedience to governing mandates and pursuant to the rule of law, this court has determined that the only lawful sentence that permits entry of a judgment of conviction without encroaching upon the highest office in the land is an unconditional discharge, which the New York State legislature has determined is a lawful and permissible sentence for the crime of falsifying business records in the first degree. Therefore, at this time, I impose that sentence to cover all 34 counts. Sir, I wish you Godspeed as you assume your second term in office. Thank you, I wish you Godspeed as you assume your second term in office.

Speaker 1: 5:46

Thank you All right. So, as you can see there, Machan is helping on following the constitution to the letter, letter of the law as it's been interpreted by the Supreme court here recently in the most insane of ways, practically guaranteeing that Trump, should he have returned to office at least when they made the decision largely have no consequences for any actions he takes while in office. So, Judge Machan is operating under that presumption. Now, I do believe it was Machan's duty to enforce some kind of sentence on Trump, even if it weren't prison time. But he definitely probably should be serving prison time for his attempt to illegally I mean trump doesn't get sworn in until the 20th.

Speaker 2: 6:31

Could, could he have at least sentenced him to like five days?

Speaker 1: 6:37

um look.

Speaker 2: 6:38

so you know he could have made him miss his, make him miss his, uh, reichstag fire rally on the 19th.

Speaker 1: 6:46

You know I'm going to be fair, I'm going to give Merchan the benefit of the doubt first before I give you a counterpoint. So he could do that. That sentence would be immediately peeled up to the Supreme Court. Trump's argument that you know the constitutional duty of him to prepare for a presidential transition before he takes office is more imperative than him serving his prison sentence. And we've seen what the Supreme Court is up to here lately they barely got to a 5-4 decision when it comes to releasing Jack Smith's special counsel report.

Speaker 1: 7:21

English is difficult when it's your first language special counsel report. English is difficult when it's your first language. So that likely would probably get the sentence struck down and would invite them to interfere in the conviction in a number of ways. That would likely be a negative outcome. Now again, what I do think he should have done again, like we know, it's going to the supreme court. Supreme court decision would obviously be bad. What he could have done is likely sentenced him to you know x amount of time in prison and postpone the sentence until after his presidency I think I'll say that's a good idea.

Speaker 1: 7:57

Or if he had fucking remanded his ass back when he was violating fucking the gag order and you know, that would have been nice yes, it would have been great, but again, that's yet another decision that would have been appealed up to the supreme court and the supreme court would have intervened and and probably had that decision reversed. And this is the problem, right? The problem isn't really that the legal system isn't holding trump specifically accountable, is that it wasn't designed in any fashion to hold the most or one of the most powerful people in America accountable once they held the office of the presidency. It just wasn't made for that, and so the real solution here is we never should have let him won in 2016. And then we didn't learn our fucking lesson in 2024. I mean, that's, that's really the yeah, no, that's that's true.

Speaker 2: 8:44

I mean, that's really the point. Yeah, no, that's true, and that's a good point, that it was up to us Because we already knew. And then, of course, with the courts stacked and packed by him and McConnell, you know.

Speaker 1: 9:00

Including Judge.

Speaker 2: 9:01

Amy Kahn in.

Speaker 1: 9:03

South Florida, where Trump currently resides, which he installed her post 2020 election after he had already lost. But yeah, continue, yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:11

Yeah, but yeah, so it was up to us. You know, if that's just the bottom line and of the 90 million people that didn't bother to vote, never mind the popular vote, I don't care about that because we know it's about the Electoral College right now. Fuck, those non-committed. Those 232,000 votes.

Speaker 1: 9:34

That was all that stood between her winning this presidency and yeah, of course they would have challenged everything, it would have been fun, but America still no one wants to hear that they want to hear us Shit on law enforcement and the Legal system and all the courts and the judges and Mayor Garland and Jack Smith and Robert Mueller and and so on and so forth. I mean I do have A bone to pick on.

Speaker 2: 9:54

No, I'm shitting on non-committed. I'm shitting on them For real and At this point you know.

Speaker 3: 10:03

I'm like.

Speaker 2: 10:04

Report all the motherfuckers. So, like I, really right now I don't, I don't give a fuck about you. I don't because you were real proud of yourself, and what I don't get is like, if you really gave a fuck, you would have been protesting both sides equally. You would have been protesting outside of Trump rallies as well as Kamala rallies. You would have you know you would have, well, probably, trump rallies as well as Kamala rallies. You would have you know you would have, well, probably wouldn't have gotten in, like you were able to get into the ones for the Democrats but or for Kamala Trump campaign did their best to keep protesters out of Trump's rallies because, again, they understand that electoral politics at this point is just a reality TV show.

Speaker 2: 10:44

But he but you know he said this show but he was like they can do what the fuck they want with God, you know. And then it's like did you not like? What do you think is going to be better? What do you think you're going to? Because at least you may not be happy with Biden or Harris's support of Israel as our ally, and I do consider it more of a support of Israel than Bibi.

Speaker 1: 11:10

I don't believe it is definitely a support of a people and not necessarily a specific government. And I can give you the perfect example Us trying to remain allies to Israel in circumstances such as we're currently facing is the same as our allies trying to remain loyal and reasonable, responsible allies to the United States. With Trump in office, it's practically the same thing.

Speaker 2: 11:39

You know what? I didn't even look at it that way, but that is a perfect analogy. That's perfect. Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1: 11:47

That is, that's what it is, and you know, and I feel for, I feel for the Israeli people. They don't want Bibi there. He's not there because of the will of the people. He is there because he created an alliance with a minority of support on the left and a bunch of just a coalition of right wing support inside the Israeli legislature that allowed him to stay and maintain power through the course of this war and then again we don't even have enough time.

Speaker 2: 12:21

That's why he's keeping the war going, because as soon as the war's over, elections resume and that's what he was trying to keep from happening was the elections, and he played the game.

Speaker 1: 12:31

He played the game. He played it to perfection, at the expense of many lives, both Israeli and Palestinian, unfortunately and did enough to help. He's not solely responsible, but I'm sure he certainly helped contribute to Trump's win in some fashion. And then Trump is a staunch Bibi Netanyahu supporter, not an ally of Israel, and that is. You know, when people are like, when the people are looking at like Republicans and Democrats, and what's the difference? Well, that's literally the difference. Democratic people, you know Democratic elected officials or allies of the Israeli peoplei people, as well as the palestinians, because, trust me, they're they. They're the only ones that have been trying to get aid to the palestinians. Trump is a net a friend of that yahoo, only that's, that's his only concern yes, and you know what it makes me think about joe biden's speech.

Speaker 2: 13:23

What was that in the 80s or early 90s, when he was in congress, and then he was like saying he's like, our loyalty isn't to South Africa, our loyalty is to South Africans, the people who are being excoriated by this white, racist regime, like he was and that was that he goes. It's not to South Africa, it's to the South Africans, and that's where he stands today. That's always been who he was. The loyalty is to the people. That's where he stands today.

Speaker 1: 13:53

That's always been who he was. The loyalty is to the people. Yeah, now we just don't. I mean, look, this is this is not the venue to read. I don't know, we can't encapsulate the entirety of the Israeli-Palestine conflict because I mean we again would be here for 20 hours. But you know, again back to Trump being reelected president. Well, you know, I hope everyone out there who voted for him is getting everything they asked for, because I assume you know these conservatives were talking about voting out Democrats and putting Trump back in office, because they wanted to get rid of the warmongers and the endless wars and losing American lives and spending billions of dollars on meaningless conflicts. And yet here we have Trump on the verge of starting a war with one of our allies.

Speaker 2: 14:47

What's the price tag?

Speaker 5: 14:48

Well, maybe no price tag. You know, look, we're going to have to see what happens, because, denmark, we need this for national security. We need Greenland very badly. You look at the Russian ships, the China ships, they're all over the place. They're surrounding now. They have for a long time. That's a lane, but we need that for national security. So I don't know that Denmark has any right title and interest and we're going to find that. But I can tell you you saw the clips that were released the people of Greenland would love to become a state of the United States of America. We were greeted with tremendous love and affection and respect. The people would like to be a part of the United States. Now, denmark maybe doesn't like it, but then we can't be too happy with Denmark and maybe things have to happen with respect to Denmark having to do with tariffs.

Speaker 1: 15:39

That is Trump threatening Denmark with tariffs if the United States isn't allowed to annex Greenland.

Speaker 2: 15:47

For free. But did you notice, though, during that press conference he doesn't say anything about national security? He said we need it for our financial security. He said it twice.

Speaker 1: 15:58

It's absolutely insane. Yes, and if you tack on Greenland, along with the idea of annexing Canada along with Panama, for whatever reason, the conclusion you can clearly draw here is that Trump is intent on starting a war with the entire Western hemisphere. Yeah, so.

Speaker 2: 16:16

Well they are. The president of Panama said that or he was talking, it was. He was talking to the former president and the former president had stated that he mentioned to him that he's going to um take him to. Is it the it's? It's not the icc. It's one of the other international courts um, I'm not sure which one, I can't remember off that's okay, one of the few yeah, yeah, one of those that do that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2: 16:49

One of those that do that kind of stuff. One of those that do that kind of stuff. But the thing is is like yes, you can go to the Greenland people and but it's still Denmark's territory, so Denmark has to either agree to release them, because if it's so much that the people of Greenland want to be free of Denmark and be their own country, well, if it was that easy, they could have already done that. So there are more things.

Speaker 1: 17:21

The equivalent of Mexico this is the equivalent of Mexico announcing that they're going to annex Puerto Rico that would not be a bad idea, actually, but that would not be a bad idea.

Speaker 2: 17:37

Oh, did you hear what justin trudeau said at an interview? That he was like well, you know, we'll swap. Um, he goes, how about we swap out? What was it? Oregon, and it was like two states and he's like we'll trade you and it. You know it wasn't such a joke anymore to Trump, you know. But even Maple Maga, Doug Ford, Maple Maga, yeah, Doug Ford, even he said, yeah, fuck that. And he's a huge Trump supporter.

Speaker 1: 18:07

So yeah, my God, the crack smoking dude that was out with the horse, no offense to the horse. Ok, that's what I'm going to Google that one. Ok, don't make me Google it. No, look. So should we take Trump seriously on his threats to annex other countries and other territories? Yes, I would. Yeah, well, so here's the thing. Trump says things that are totally unserious, but he also means them, so yeah, there you go Right now.

Speaker 1: 18:36

I would also say largely that all of this talk about Canada, panama, greenland, etc. Is an attempt to distract from the fact that one he has no plan whatsoever on how to end the war in Ukraine, even though that he promised he would do that within days of him winning the election. Not taking office winning the election, he since walked that back. Also, there's no plans whatsoever in you know, for Republicans when it pertains to reducing the price of groceries and items of necessity for American households, the price of anything, anything.

Speaker 1: 19:13

Yeah, for sure. I mean, he talked about lowering the price of gas. We're going to drill. He said the United States is going to drill more. Hey, buddy, we're drilling more oil than we are. We're producing more oil than we ever have in the history of the United States, and more oil than any other country.

Speaker 1: 19:28

And also, like his promises on day one to begin the mass roundup and detention of undocumented immigrants in America. This is a distraction from the promises of doing that. Now, again, I don't think that he has any intention of forestalling that plan. I think that he's going to do his best with the Department of Homeland Security, to begin some form of mass roundups. Now, it's going to be inefficient. They're going to fuck it up.

Speaker 1: 19:56

You know again, trump's largely intelligent these plans aren't thrown out. They're going to take massive action and it's going to, while be it be unsuccessful, cause massive amounts of harm both to individuals and to the united states economy as a whole. But he's going to try it. He's going to fuck it up, it's going to implode in his face and we're going to be again involved with just mad, just endless headlines and unending coverage of trump's not only stupidity but his just failures to run the country in any sort of reasonable fashion Did you see, where Stephen Miller said that they're trying to find a disease they can pin on the migrants so that they can re-implement Title 42 again.

Speaker 2: 20:43

Oh my God, I swear to God, I swear to God, I am not. This is not parody, I am not joking, this is real. They're like maybe that's why Robert F Kennedy's like no vaccine. They're like, oh, shit we got a polio outbreak. We got to quarantine, we got to send them out. But yeah, they're looking for a disease.

Speaker 1: 21:10

We're living in the dumbest possible times, but you know, this is, this is the America that we all deserve. To be honest, if we couldn't wake up enough people to make a rational decision in voting for Kamala Harris in 2024. And this is what we ended up with, this is.

Speaker 2: 21:26

This is largely it's sad to say. What I tell myself to make myself feel better and that there's light at the end of the tunnel is I go. Well, my ancestors? They survived slavery and they grow and they managed to get jobs and buy houses too and do stuff.

Speaker 1: 21:47

So I mean so I, I would say that one of my brain is right now Like that's where my mind is.

Speaker 1: 21:56

Yeah, our ancestors, given the circumstances, were extraordinarily resilient, just considering the amount of oppression they faced over hundreds of years, even, you know, 100 years after slavery slavery the country was systematically destroying Black families and neighborhoods and any kind of institutions, black wealth, and that our people continue to not only survive you know all of those endeavors but in some situations even thrive. It does point to the resilience of Black people in America. Now, I don't necessarily think that, just because you know our people were able to find a way to navigate that set of circumstances, that we should force that same hardship on as many people as possible. But I mean, that's where we are, that's what we've gotten ourselves into, and I think at this point I just look at the United States as no longer a symbol of what things could possibly be, even though they're not always ideal. Now I see the United States as an example of what not to do for countries around the world.

Speaker 2: 23:07

Yeah, no, that's exactly it. You know, if we could have been more like, you know, south Korea, we wouldn't be here.

Speaker 1: 23:18

But I mean who?

Speaker 2: 23:19

would have thought that we'd be looking to South Korea as the bastion of democracy for the Western hemisphere.

Speaker 1: 23:27

So politics in South Korea is different. It's not like the United States for numerous reasons, and again, I don't even have the expertise to necessarily detail all the ways and why it's such a vastly different political landscape. But part of it is North Korea is right there on their border, so they don't kick it the same just for again, like they have different concerns than the united states does, like our, our country's infatuation, infatuation with immigration over the past hundreds of past hundred years or so, uh, pales nothing in comparison to what south korea is dealing with on their northern border. And I, I just you know again they got a different, they just have a different outlook on what they expect out of their executive branch down there. And that shit the dude tried to pull with a military coup in South Korea was out of control, but they got that motherfucker out of there immediately.

Speaker 2: 24:33

They literally it was like motherfucker in the bar and they get that dude. You trying to what?

Speaker 1: 24:40

Oh no, that was out of the streets.

Speaker 2: 24:44

And there was this Korean reporter and she was out there and she's like reporting, like one in the morning when they're lifting up the parliament, people to go in there and vote on the wall and all that shit. And then they were like why, why are, why are reporters drunk at 1 am? She's like we're. We're the Irish people of Asia.

Speaker 1: 25:08

No, no, no. Shade to the Irish.

Speaker 2: 25:10

She was like you don't know much about koreans, do you? Because they were like everybody got out the bar. She's like we love to trade that every. Uh, it was just so funny. On the third, I was like I didn't know that.

Speaker 1: 25:19

They were like yeah, we're the irish people of asia, right and for them they've they've recently I mean they've had a potential failed military coups in not maybe the youngest generation's lifetime, but the older generations are familiar with the time before democracy was yeah, before they had a democracy in south korea. So they is like we ain't going back for real.

Speaker 2: 25:46

There are a lot of countries that have relatively new democracies compared to us. Yes, you know where in the 70s and in other times, so I mean even mexico has, I mean, and even now still, like the pre pretty much ran. That was like basically a one-party state for forever, like they're pretty much. And now the morena party pretty much runs everything but um, but yeah, but they, they, um, claudia shine bomb, but she's, she's really smart.

Speaker 1: 26:19

I didn't know she's, I didn't know she was a phd and a scientist yeah, she's very smart, she's bright, she's politically astute, but she's also not again like I wouldn't say that she's a bad actor, but there's a lot of Republican-like tactics that take place inside the left-leaning party there.

Speaker 2: 26:42

Well, the Marina party yes, and I was concerned because I knew that she was handpicked pretty much by AMLO to be his successor. You know, Mexico all won't turn, so that's it but.

Speaker 2: 26:55

I knew that she was handpicked, so I was concerned that she would be a puppet, and I knew that he. He was not necessarily a Biden fan and he is a little more conservative. However, under his leadership, mexico did a lot of progressive things like decriminalize an abortion, same sex marriage. They have the second largest pride parade in the world doing pride, and that's in Mexico City, so and they call Puerto Vallarta the gay Riviera. So they are very open in a lot of ways and despite being a predominantly Catholic country, I mean the Supreme Court voted unanimously to decriminalize abortion. And then you've got, was it Zacatecas? They had elected a gay mayor, a male gay mayor, and then there were several gay people.

Speaker 1: 27:50

If anyone who doesn't realize how like like this is stretching the bounds of liberal politics in Mexico, like if you've looked at the Latin American community and how they tend to vote more and more conservative as they get older, I mean that that you kind of put it into context for you.

Speaker 2: 28:08

yeah, so yeah yeah but it's yeah, but it's sort of like they have several trans gender members of their congress, you know, openly, and he appointed an openly gay woman to be in his cabinet and she was actually the first gay person. She was arrested, she was protesting, this was like in the seventies, so it was kind of a full circle moment, which was kind of cool. But you know, he doesn't personally believe in abortion. He's kind of like Biden on that and like personally, I have my own feelings, you know what I mean. However, I believe in a woman and this was kind of the same thing. But I am impressed with how strong Claudia Scheinbaum is and how she is standing up to Trump and doing a little bit of trolling too, and then she has gone.

Speaker 1: 28:58

She understands political theater at a high level, right we? At this point, we get it. Politics has now become a reality TV show and she is out there performing at every possible turn.

Speaker 2: 29:10

You know what they say. You have to make it up to where they are, so she's talking in a way that you can understand.

Speaker 1: 29:16

Absolutely, and you know what I think? I think American politicians on the left could learn a couple lessons from her in that regard in how to hold court, how to present to an audience, how to get your point across and how not to be a little bitch. But you know, again, that's not anything that I could possibly force upon Democratic politicians myself and given the fact that I am likely not fit to run for office myself, I mean, I guess you know what Trump's president anybody can run for anything at this point, I don't know. But so we did have comments from President Biden the other day on a number of issues. One in particular I thought was extraordinarily interesting his thoughts on the 2024 election and how he believes that personally, he could have beaten Trump, and we'll hear that clip right now.

Speaker 4: 30:03

Mr President, do you regret your decision to run for re-election? Do you think that that made it?

Speaker 1: 30:07

easier for your predecessor to now become your successor.

Speaker 3: 30:11

I don't think so. I think I would have beaten Trump, could have beaten Trump, and I think that Kamala could have beaten Trump and would have beaten Trump. It wasn't about. I thought it was important to unify the party and when the party was worried about whether or not I was going to be able to move, I thought even though I thought I could win again I thought it was better to unify the party and it was the greatest honor in my life to be president of the United States. But I didn't want to be one who caused a party that wasn't unified to lose an election and that's why I stepped aside, but I was confident she could win.

Speaker 1: 30:57

All right. So I largely agree with Biden there. I do think he's wrong in in the so in the sense that could Biden have won this election in 2024? Yes, if not for the catastrophe that the media imposed on the country for over a month straight after the debate, which he underperformed, even though no one talks about how absolutely insane everything Trump said was and how you know endlessly like we discount the endless lies because it's Trump, but any other candidate, in comparison to Joe Biden's performance, would have been sank by the performance that Trump put on, I do believe.

Speaker 1: 31:36

Once that occurred and the media spent a month endlessly obsessing over Biden and his age and whether or not he should drop out.

Speaker 1: 31:44

And then, you know, numerous supposed left wing commentators indulged in the idea.

Speaker 1: 31:50

Instead of doing everything they could inform the American people and just show all the clips of Biden performing stellarly in public post debate, in public post-debate, they sat there and basically brainwashed everyone to believe that it was impossible for Biden to win, and up to the point where even members of Congress and the Democratic Party were about to turn on Biden. And once we got to that point, not only could Biden not have won the 2024 election, no one could have and we saw that, we saw that fairly clearly Kamala Harris's stellar performance in terms of, you know, enthusiasm inside the base, the fundraising, the public, the public interactions, you know, the rallies, the appearances on podcasts and such. And even with all of that and the gazillion dollars in the bank, she lost to Trump in every swing state, even though the deciding factor in the election was three swing states and a couple hundred thousand votes. And she performed about as well as you could expect anyone to in the circumstances, with a short runway being thrust into the national spotlight, the nomination a couple of months ago, before the election.

Speaker 2: 33:07

The thing is is I honestly believe that there was too much money put into Project 2025. They were not going to let any Democrat win the presidency. They went all in on that and that bill was going to come due on their investment period. The only thing is that Kamala made them spend more money than they would have had to spend against Biden. They just probably would have showed some old like some clips of him like slipping or falling off his bike, but with Kamala they had to. They had to come out of their pocket to the tune of they had to go all in in a way that they weren't expecting and I feel also like it wasn't. They weren't spending that money to for Trump to win. They were spending that money. It was they wanted Kamala to lose. It wasn't about Trump winning, it was about her losing. They were focused on losing. So they spent all of their time just focusing on wedge issues that they could relate to her or somehow connect to her or the Democratic Party in general you know.

Speaker 2: 34:18

But because you know he really didn't have to to do anything and because mainstream media doesn't show his bad shittery, you know that it was like she was running against another sane person, which was the opposite of true right you know, and well, and it was just an issue like there was the fact that, even though trump wasn't the incumbent because Kamala Harris hadn't won a presidential election Trump at that point became the incumbent.

Speaker 1: 34:49

And again, if you have even the sense of incumbency, it is extraordinarily difficult as a candidate for you to lose, even though Biden beat Trump by a gazillion trillion votes in 2020. And that was the thing. So I don't think, largely, as far as the 2024 election is concerned, if Trump had stayed in office, biden had stayed in the race, rather, and we hadn't had that debacle of a media implosion after the debate, I think Biden probably would have won, just on the fact that people are bored, they don't pay attention to politics and people largely just vote for whoever they voted for the last time. And maybe you have some, you know, the hyper-focused I don't even know if this exists, but, like the hyper-focused and hyper-informed, undecided voter, I don't even know if that's a real demographic. It's probably not.

Speaker 1: 35:39

You know, maybe you know those people might have been swayed by some of the information Republicans were putting out there, but I think largely what happened is the parties switched candidates at the last second and then a bunch of people who voted for Biden in 2020 were like oh, he's not on the ticket, I guess I won't be voting. And a bunch of people who've already voted for Trump once or twice were like I guess I'll just vote for Trump again, and the numbers kind of pretty much reflect that. I just it was dumb.

Speaker 2: 36:09

Yeah, because he didn't really gain much. It wasn't like he gained a whole swath of America.

Speaker 1: 36:15

No, he was saying that there was a huge jump from 2016 to 2020 in, you know, seven, eight million voters, and then he approved upon that number marginally with like two million voters or so Two million, yeah, like two million votes. Yeah, but again, you know, had Biden been in the race, maybe those 81 million voters would have showed up again and cast.

Speaker 2: 36:39

George Clooney's, and those people had not waffled and turned their backs on him and the party stayed unified because you know scenario, he could have decided that he wanted to resign and then we had Kamala anyway.

Speaker 1: 36:57

But I mean, I think that would have done. I mean, that too would have been a recipe for does that. There was no outcome. That would have been where democrats could have been victorious once the party split. I mean, I think it was over at that point and we talked about that for like a month straight on this podcast. I'm sure you know our listeners out there. You retired hearing that shit. You were like, can we just get Biden out of here so we can, like, get back to business? Well, we did that and you saw what happened and again, like at that point, I mean, there was, there was no winning situation.

Speaker 2: 37:29

We, we said that your business was to get your ass behind Kamala motherfuckers.

Speaker 1: 37:33

Well, we tried to do that we tried to do that, but I had warned people that, even though I so, I thought Kamala Harris would win, and she performed where I thought I was. She got a percentage. She got just raw numbers, what I thought she would have got. But I just thought numerous Trump supporters wouldn't show up and she would win just because Trump lost a poll. That just turned out to not be the case, and there was no solution to that.

Speaker 2: 38:01

And then you just throw in all those other outliers like I said, the non-committed and they knew that they didn't need. They knew they weren't going to really peel off too much of the black vote, but they knew in those swing states if they could peel off enough of the disgruntled Arab and Muslim vote, that would be all they needed to clinch, I mean they really didn't even succeed in that outside of maybe Michigan slightly.

Speaker 1: 38:32

Really, where they won is Trump just won a bigger margin of white people. White people decided the election largely and you know what Biden's superpower was Getting white people to vote for democrats. It was insane. I don't know why we gave that up.

Speaker 2: 38:45

That was that's that was a good point, and he has a penis uh, yeah, well see, you know, I think it's complicated.

Speaker 1: 38:52

We'll have to talk about the implications of we did have a white lady too.

Speaker 2: 38:58

Uh, switching.

Speaker 1: 38:59

There was a time well then, the white lady got more votes than a white guy, but no one wants to talk about that, they just failed her too yeah, well, that's michigan. God damn it. Get it together up there y'all. Detroit, I know y'all are on the ball, but the rest of the state man, this shit is like outside of detroit. Michigan is like kentucky it's, it's, it's, that is true, but then not every fucking.

Speaker 2: 39:23

Even blue states like pretty much people forget about this.

Speaker 3: 39:27

Come on, you got atlanta.

Speaker 2: 39:28

You got cobb county and then you got marjorie taylor green.

Speaker 1: 39:31

So I mean atlanta is a totally separate. It's a. It's a different planet compared to the rest of georgia. But yeah, like you said, in the north, like blue states oh, blue states are like that too. Once you get out of these metro areas and their surrounding suburbs, it gets real wild out there, except, unlike the South, in the rural areas. There are no Black people in the rural areas up North. It ain't. No, we don't kick it up there out there in a while. We don't do it.